Digital BW, The Print

Hi

> 
> If you are able to print b&w with an HP 130, report your observations 
> here. I'm interested as well as others here, I'm sure.
>

This is already being discussed on the other forum ;-)

I also got a couple of samples and they did a lot to convince me.
I did a lot of research on the hp130 (I was going to get the Epson
4000 and QTR) but I decided it was worth the risk given my particular
preferences (YMMV). I have only had the printer a couple of weeks and
I'm still in a very experimental phase.

Regards

Mark


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The HP 130 makes great looking color prints.
> 
> I have two samples they sent me. The "headshot" and the Cheetas.
> 
> I was really impressed. Eveyone I've shown those samples to are blown 
> away when I tell them they're inkjet prints.
> 
> I don't know about B&W with the 130. I'd like to see them use a gray 
> cart with 3 inks (or more!) like the #59 cart for the smaller HP 
> printers. Maybe their next version of this printer.
> 
> Side by side, I like the Epson-MIS EZ cart system best. More paper 
> choices, and as an added bonus, lower cost.
> 
> If you are able to print b&w with an HP 130, report your observations 
> here. I'm interested as well as others here, I'm sure.
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "m_r_tomlinson" 
> <mark.tomlinson@q...> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for your encouragement. I will continue to use my Epson 1290
> > and UT2 inkset and continue participating in this group. 
> > 
> > I like Epsons and I think the work that people like Paul Roark and 
> Roy
> > Harrington do is great and should be applauded. I also used to use 
> Jon
> > Cone's workflow on an 1160 many years ago. Experimentation is what
> > makes these groups work so well. I am not trying to start some rival
> > group.
> > 
> > Surely a wide format 24 inch printer like the hp130 for the price is
> > worth a look and some experimentation, no? Maybe this is not the 
> forum
> > to discuss these things as it has become dominated by Epson related
> > technology. (And there is nothing wrong with that.)
> > 
> > For the record I have made some nice black and white prints with the
> > hp, but I take your points about being tied in to their ink and 
> paper
> > and that's fine. Although a lot of people are now using Ilford 
> papers
> > with it (myself included). I usually like toned prints rather than
> > neutral BW so some of the issues you mention (like colour casts) are
> > not so relevant to me personally. Also I don't see any metamerism 
> with
> > the hp130, but most people who have discussed this on this group 
> just
> > assume that it will be present.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre"
> > <am1000@v...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "m_r_tomlinson"
> > > <mark.tomlinson@q...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > I have just started a group to deal with this issue called
> > > > Digital Black and White printing - Non Epson. It can be found 
> at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBWnotEpson/
> > > > 
> > > > Now I also have a DesignJet 130 and am struggling to make BW
> > prints
> > > > 
> > > Mark,
> > > 
> > > Good luck with your group. I think that's an issue HP should 
> address
> > > or failing that, hopefully a third party ink supplier. This group 
> is
> > > mostly centered on MIS inksets and the other group mostly centered
> > on
> > > Jon Cone's Piezo inkset. I fail to see how you can make progress
> > > without a third party inkset supplier. Maybe you can convince MIS,
> > > BWguys or even Jone Cone to design an inkset for your HP printer. 
> > > 
> > > I remember Jon Cone promising to adapt its Piezo system to Canon
> > > printers. That was at least two years ago. Anyone using a Canon
> > > printer with the Piezo system these days ? In any event that's not
> > > going to be of any help to your HP printer.
> > > 
> > > There's a few good reasons that Epson's are discussed on this 
> group.
> > > Simply put, it works. What other printers are able to use pigments
> > > inksets ? 
> > > 
> > > Using dyes color dye inksets for b&w prints will gives you all 
> sorts
> > > of problems: reduced longevity, metamerism and color casts. These
> > > issues have been discussed ad nauseam on this group. 
> > > 
> > > HP has a new insket which is said to produce neutral b&w prints
> > with a
> > > color inkset. And is HP providing this inkset for A3+ and larger
> > size
> > > printers ? Problem is, you're stuck with HP's high price for the
> > > inkset and longevity is assured only if you used HP brand paper. 
> > > That's what I call a captive market. Thanks, but no thanks.
> > > 
> > > Bottom line is: show me a non Epson printer that can use a carbon
> > > pigment inkset from a third party supplier and I'll consider it 
> when
> > > the time comes to replace my four year old Epson 1160 printer.
> > > 
> > > Respectfully,
> > > André Moreau