Digital BW, The Print

sorry for the confusion paul,

 i WAS using a 1280 with the PK/FSN/Light Cyan (in the yellow 
position), but got frustrated with the constant clogging, and having 
to reload and entire cartridge just to do some experimenting (i'm a 
constant tinkerer)

 i have upgraded to a 2200 (to do occasional color), and "hoping" to 
not have the clogging issues.

 the UT FSN i have,  i purchased when it FIRST was offered by MIS. 
using the GP Light Cyan was the ONLY way i found to control the 
magenta (it gave more of a cool tone vs. a neutral one). i used it 
very sparingly, as i'm sure you know, it can get away from you very 
easily.

 i can't speak for the EPSM "yet", but i found the EPSG & EPL are so 
similar in the hues once printed, that they are almost 
interchangeable.

 i guess what i was asking was ..... is the UT FSN different now than 
when FIRST released? that was the impression i got.
 if not, then i'm quite sure i could get the 2200 set up to print as 
the 1280 did. i just hoped to avoid all the experimentation i have 
done on the 1280, and just move forward (even thought this technology 
is constantly evolving).

>I have not used UT-FSN in the 2200, but if you are comfortable with 
even
grayscale curves, you'd probably be able to profile a PK, UT7-LKN, C, 
M, D,
M, Y setup.
 
 did you intend to say PK, UT7-LKN, C, M, C, M, Y setup. (you have 
C,M,D,M,Y)? what's the D?

thanks again for tolerating my ignorance here
it's much appreciated
 
evan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Evan,
> 
> >... say i wanted to set up my 2200 with grays, FSN specially, and 
> >leave IJC out of the equation for the moment and use Photoshop.
> 
> I thought you were using a 1280 with IJC.
> 
> >i'd be printing ONLY on EPSG,EPL,EPSM 
> 
> I have never used UT-FSN in a 2200.  I'm sure you could set it up, 
but I
> have no curves.  In general, the CMCM (dark-light) combination 
works.  LK
> could be LK-N.  
> 
> The Y might be best reserved for Glop, but I have not tested that 
either.
> If you want to use that spot for a light cyan to control the 
magenta, then
> that would exclude the Glop in that spot.
> 
> If you are printing only on glossy paper, you might also want to 
just load
> PK.
> 
> So, I can't make any recommendations for this set up based on my 
experiences
> with it.
> 
> >... i want the least amount of green and magenta 
> >(a neutral balance of the two i guess) ...
> 
> This is so subjective that I really can't say any more than I 
have.  The
> UT-FSN-C has the least amount of magenta cast relative to green.  
Hitting it
> right on for more than one paper, one density, and one ink batch is
> virtually impossible.  
> 
> >all Ultratones.....Pk .. Lk (Custom Light Black) what is that?
> 
> My formula for UT7 called for a neutralized LK.  I assume MIS is 
shipping
> it, but I don't know.
> 
> >...Light Cyan (used as a cooler) to tone 
> >down the magnet, or would it to tone down the green??
> 
> When you add magenta it cools with a greenish cast.
> 
> I must say, I think you're getting into a mess here.  Cyan on top 
of UT-FSN
> is going to be very cold. I'd recommend you stick with standard 
inksets.
> 
> >>The UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a 
more 
> stable ink.
> 
> > are you saying that i shouldn't get the magenta undertone 
> >with the latest UT FSN inks?
> 
> I think you ought to try them before trying to modify the systems.
> 
> I'm not sure what inkset you used in that past.  The MIS inks prior 
to my
> re-formulations had become excessively magenta, due, I assume, to 
the
> instability of the magenta pigment.
> 
> I have not used UT-FSN in the 2200, but if you are comfortable with 
even
> grayscale curves, you'd probably be able to profile a PK, UT7-LKN, 
C, M, D,
> M, Y setup.  
> 
> I have curves for the 1280 and the UT-FSN setup.  I thought you had 
a 1280.
> If so, I recommend you start by buying a pre-loaded UT-FSN cart and 
using a
> pre-made curve to see if you like the tones.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> _____________________________
> 
> " <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > You've probably hit the main options here.  The UT-FSN inks with 
a 
> Light
> > cyan, or just the carbon inks with LC, LM, & IJC.  One advantage 
of 
> using
> > the UT-FSN + LC instead of the FS + LC & LM, is that you avoid 
the 
> M.  The
> > UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a more 
> stable ink.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> >