Digital BW, The Print

Evan,

> i WAS using a 1280 with the PK/FSN/Light Cyan (in the yellow 
>position), but got frustrated with the constant clogging, and having 
>to reload and entire cartridge just to do some experimenting (i'm a 
>constant tinkerer)

I've been of the impression that much of the 1280 clogging is actually the
carts -- there have been some terrible batches.  All too often one jet just
will not release ink adequately.  I'm hopeful that the new sponge-less ones
work out.  MIS is testing them now.  

> i have upgraded to a 2200 (to do occasional color), and "hoping" to 
>not have the clogging issues.

At least with the C86, the easy-refill carts seem to be very reliable.  They
do need priming, but that's about it.

> the UT FSN i have,  i purchased when it FIRST was offered by MIS.

That used the old magenta.

The reason I think (can't be 100% sure, but I'll see if I can get a response
form MIS on the question) the pre-loaded 1280 UT-FSN carts will have the new
stuff is that MIS never supported the CMCMY ink order until I recently wrote
curves for that setup.

>... i found the EPSG & EPL are so similar in the hues once printed, 
>that they are almost interchangeable.

True, and Premium Semimatte will have about the same tone, though it'll take
a different curves set.

With PSM, the shadow spectrophotometer readings indicate a magenta that is
elevated about 0.01 density unit.  The Lab is about a = 0.6.  

> is the UT FSN different now than when FIRST released? 

Yes, and much different than what it ended up.  The entire MIS line drifted
way too magenta in my view.  That is why I suggest you try the new UT-FSN
before spending a lot of time with the other approaches.


>>I have not used UT-FSN in the 2200, but if you are 
>>comfortable with even grayscale curves, you'd probably be able to 
>>profile a PK, UT7-LKN, C, M, D, M, Y setup.
 
> did you intend to say PK, UT7-LKN, C, M, C, M, Y setup. 

Yes.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Evan,
> 
> >... say i wanted to set up my 2200 with grays, FSN specially, and 
> >leave IJC out of the equation for the moment and use Photoshop.
> 
> I thought you were using a 1280 with IJC.
> 
> >i'd be printing ONLY on EPSG,EPL,EPSM 
> 
> I have never used UT-FSN in a 2200.  I'm sure you could set it up, 
but I
> have no curves.  In general, the CMCM (dark-light) combination 
works.  LK
> could be LK-N.  
> 
> The Y might be best reserved for Glop, but I have not tested that 
either.
> If you want to use that spot for a light cyan to control the 
magenta, then
> that would exclude the Glop in that spot.
> 
> If you are printing only on glossy paper, you might also want to 
just load
> PK.
> 
> So, I can't make any recommendations for this set up based on my 
experiences
> with it.
> 
> >... i want the least amount of green and magenta 
> >(a neutral balance of the two i guess) ...
> 
> This is so subjective that I really can't say any more than I 
have.  The
> UT-FSN-C has the least amount of magenta cast relative to green.  
Hitting it
> right on for more than one paper, one density, and one ink batch is
> virtually impossible.  
> 
> >all Ultratones.....Pk .. Lk (Custom Light Black) what is that?
> 
> My formula for UT7 called for a neutralized LK.  I assume MIS is 
shipping
> it, but I don't know.
> 
> >...Light Cyan (used as a cooler) to tone 
> >down the magnet, or would it to tone down the green??
> 
> When you add magenta it cools with a greenish cast.
> 
> I must say, I think you're getting into a mess here.  Cyan on top 
of UT-FSN
> is going to be very cold. I'd recommend you stick with standard 
inksets.
> 
> >>The UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a 
more 
> stable ink.
> 
> > are you saying that i shouldn't get the magenta undertone 
> >with the latest UT FSN inks?
> 
> I think you ought to try them before trying to modify the systems.
> 
> I'm not sure what inkset you used in that past.  The MIS inks prior 
to my
> re-formulations had become excessively magenta, due, I assume, to 
the
> instability of the magenta pigment.
> 
> I have not used UT-FSN in the 2200, but if you are comfortable with 
even
> grayscale curves, you'd probably be able to profile a PK, UT7-LKN, 
C, M, D,
> M, Y setup.  
> 
> I have curves for the 1280 and the UT-FSN setup.  I thought you had 
a 1280.
> If so, I recommend you start by buying a pre-loaded UT-FSN cart and 
using a
> pre-made curve to see if you like the tones.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> _____________________________
> 
> " <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > You've probably hit the main options here.  The UT-FSN inks with 
a 
> Light
> > cyan, or just the carbon inks with LC, LM, & IJC.  One advantage 
of 
> using
> > the UT-FSN + LC instead of the FS + LC & LM, is that you avoid 
the 
> M.  The
> > UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a more 
> stable ink.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> > 







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