Digital BW, The Print

Carl,

Someone sent in a print in Tom O'Connels's last exchange made BO 
using an Epson 4000 on some RC paper.  I must say it blew me away, it 
was warm, no doubt, but boy was it smooth/dotless.  I have seen it 
written someplace (Clayton?) that the 4000 makes better BO prints 
than 2200.

Well, since I received my 4000 earlier today, and is now set up, I 
had better go test it our rather than putzing around on this forum.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Two inks with the 3.5 to 4 pl printers produce acceptable (at least 
to 
> me) grayscale prints.  So how close does one black in the R800 at 
1.5 
> pl bring us to the ideal?  I'd like to see a print made with the 
R800 
> and one black ink added to Roy's dots gallery.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Jan 28, 2005, at 8:30 PM, Shilesh Jani wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I say this in jest, well partially in jest:
> >
> > If you could make infintesimly small dots and can place the at
> > infinitesimly small distances, you could make perfectly dotless
> > prints with only the back ink.  And the prints would be perfectly
> > smooth if you have a good profile.
> >
> > Till then.............
> >
> > Shilesh
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy 
Harrington"
> > <roy@h...> wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tgos3"
> > <egosfield@c...>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> >>>> Ted,
> >>>> Look here:
> >>>> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/colorswabs.html
> >>>
> >>> already had done, and agree with what you say, thanks.
> >>>
> >>>> other words, the highlights in UT2 prints will always be more
> > dotty
> >>>> than of FS prints (using the same printer). [...] It is the ink
> >>> design.  The one
> >>>> way around it is using smaller droplets or try 2880 printing
> > (slow
> >>> on
> >>>> 1280).
> >>>
> >>> I may try 2880 printing -- when i have done it using Epson 
single
> >>> black, highlight densities increased, so the dither looked more
> >>> annoying.  On some images I could readjust the curves, but it
> > didn't
> >>> seem to be a real improvement on HWM which is what i have been
> > using
> >>> on my 1280 (until UT2).
> >>
> >> As Shilesh has said it all boils down to the density of the inks
> > and the size
> >> of the drops.  All the current printers we're talking about
> > 1160,1270,1280,
> >> 2200, 7600 have approximately the same smallest dot size about 4
> > picoliters.
> >> 4000 is slighly smaller at 3.5 pl.  In all these cases this
> > smallest dot size is
> >> used at 1440dpi so there is no benefit to 2880 as far as seeing
> > dots in the
> >> highlights.
> >>
> >> The FS and FSN inks and the Piezotone inks are the only ones 
with a
> > significantly
> >> lighter ink.   So if you want the most dot-less highlights you 
have
> > to use
> >> something like this.  I did a dot comparison a while ago, see :
> >>
> >> http://harrington.com/dotscans/dotsdots.html
> >>
> >> Roy
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> My 1280 using Epson driver and FS inks is definitely less
> >>>> dotty (almost non-existant) than my 2200 using Epson inks and
> > QTR.
> >>>> Life is full of compromises.
> >>>
> >>> I may end up trying FS inks.  I don't require multiple print 
tone
> >>> choices, just a good neutral comparable to Ilfobrome (slightly
> > warm)
> >>> or Oriental Seagull (slightly cool.  Before Epson changed their
> > inks
> >>> on the 1280, i was happy with some of their Quadtone curves too,
> > but
> >>> since they changed ink vendors I have never been able to get the
> >>> Epson quadtones dialed in so they match the profiled monitor
> >>> appearance.
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to see why I should use QTR at all -- if Paul's PS
> > curves
> >>> work, why use QTR?  For people without PS, or who need to print
> > from
> >>> other imaging apps, QTR is a great bargain and a nice app, but 
if
> > you
> >>> can print from PS, why not do it?
> >>>
> >>> i suppose using a RIP instead of a driver is faster, but i am 
not
> >>> doing high volume work.  Basically, all i care about is the
> >>> appearance of the print.
> >>>
> >>> ted