Digital BW, The Print

My question was specifically directed to Mark.  He seems to have a great
little business running punching out high quality frames at various sizes
for photographers.  There are a multitude of sizes - take a look at his site
www.framedestination.com  - some of the sizes would allow for a lopsided
border, ie more on the bottom than top, if the 2:3 aspect ratio (ie 35mm)
image was hung in portrait fashion but none do if the image is landscape.
Mark obviously can't cater to every person's tastes - he has already picked
a wide range of "popular" sizes - but I would have thought it would be great
if there were a supplier of standard frames in sizes that suit photographers
and which allow a bigger bottom margin than top, left and right.  Maybe
everyone is happy to be doing their own framing but to be honest it is not
an area I wish to explore.  Outsourcing it to a framing shop, at least here
in London, is extremely expensive though.  Mark's prices are very
competitive by comparison.  You guys in the US are lucky to have businesses
like Mark's around.  I was simply puzzled as to why he doesn't see more
demand for sizes that would allow a bigger bottom margin - even for the 2:3
aspect ratio of 35mm film (forget for now odd shaped images such as
panoramics).  Seems from this thread that many people like to sign the image
itself (in pencil or whatever!) just below the image which in turn, I would
have thought, would demand a slightly bigger bottom border. (Walt:  I just
used an example that was consistent with one of Mark's existing sizes in
portrait mode)  Maybe I am the only one who would do things this way.

So let me ask a simple question then:  for those who like to sign their
prints just under the image, do you leave the same bottom border (as the
top, left and right) or do you leave a little extra room at the bottom?


> From: Clayton Jones <cj@cjcom.net>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:59:54 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re:signing
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Steve,
> 
> Lots of good questions, several things to think about...
> 
>> I am still wondering how people do this with your frames and
>> landscape images.  For portrait the sizes work but not for
>> landscape.  In all cases one gets too much landscape width to
>> get the height.
> 
> Frame size - It is possible, through creative matting (and within
> reasonable limits of course), to put longish landscapes in standard
> frames (or square pics in rectangular frames, etc.  So you first must
> decide if you want to use standard sizes.  If you're selling a matted
> print it will make a difference in cost and/or hassle for the buyer,
> and may affect the buying decision.  If you're doing your own framing
> its not as big an issue, just more hassle to purchase different size
> frame pieces for each print.  The glass, though, is a more difficult
> issue unless you cut your own.  You can always settle on a "standard"
> non-standard size and keep the parts in stock.  Bottom line is its
> always easier to stick with standard sizes.  Whatever you use, just
> keep that in mind as you make the pics.  Your call.  Another issue is
> whether a non-standard size is an incentive or disincentive for
> potential customers.  A long framed panoramic may be difficult to work
> into a decor with other more standard frames.
> 
> 
>> ...allow extra room at the bottom for signature etc. For example,
>> a 10x15 image might require a mat opening of 11.5 x 15.75 inches
> (3/8in top and sides and 1 1/8in at the bottom).
> 
> It is not necessarily a requirement to have more room at the bottom.
> That's just one way of doing it.  Many photographers put the same
> amount on all four sides, and still have plenty enough space for a
> signature and/or title.  The space can be as small as 1/4" (I recently
> did this for a 3x4 print in a 5x7 matt, which included a small title
> and signature in that 1/4 inch), to 3/8" for an 8x10, 1/2" for 11x14,
> 5/8" for 16x20, etc.  Don't feel you have to do it a certain way.  Try
> things and see what looks best to you.
> 
> Just some things to think about.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
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