Digital BW, The Print

Steadman, I have to ask, have you seen MIS FS output through the cone
driver? Like Mike K, I think that piezo software is bang on, especially for
4 colour printers, but there are problems with the inks for a growing number
of people. I hope to be moving to a 7000 soon, and I'll be using the piezo
software, but MIS FS inks. One of the things I will be eternally thankfull
to this list for is that it has opened up other possibilities beyond piezo.
Bernd has just sent me his set of prints of comparisons of Piezo with
various other combinations. FS through the Cone driver is 'different' to
piezo, slightly, but  a slight curves tweak would get the same result.
Smooth tones, dotless highlights, the colour of piezo when piezo is on form.
BTW others have said that piezo compresses shadow detail, and I don't see
that. A comparison of the 'stair' image and bernd's print show more visible
detail in the stairs and a dark chimney area in Bernd's print from Piezo,
but this is easily corrected. For 6 colour printers, bernd's print on MIS VM
with a no. 3 curve is truly beautiful.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Back to basics


> It is too bad you see green with your PiezoBW system and that it is a
disappointment for you.
>
> I just framed (12) 11x14 prints today on a variety of papers all made with
PiezoBW inks.  Each one is lovely.  No green at all.  Some of the blacks
must be seen to be believed because of the richness and depth.  On a few of
the images, the skin tones "glow" and contrasted with the black velvety
background on a few, the impression is of great texture and depth.    All of
these prints have been seen by over a dozen people in different lighting
environments and no one sees green at all.  They all comment on the rich
tones of grey and the luminous skin and the velvet black which because it is
printed on a matte paper...looks like real velvet...not some plasticky RC
surface gloss.
>
> But maybe you just had a little bad luck or a bad printer or bad karma.
>
> I say this because when or if you get a Piezo system that works, you will
not want to switch.  It can be that good.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: djcook50@...
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Back to basics
>
>
>   Thanks for the feedback Joe.
>
>   Too bad the piezography system is disappointing.  Do you get the
>   green cast results with all papers you've tried?
>
>   Prior to the piezography system did you have any luck with other inks
>   and workflows?
>
>   Dave
>
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Joseph Glasgow
>   <joeglas3@y...> wrote:
>   > --- djcook50@y... wrote:
>   > > I'm interested in hearing from anyone who's found a
>   > > good workflow for
>   > > the original MIS Quadtone inks, specifically using
>   > > the Epson 1200 .>
>   > > Anyone using the Epson 1200 and original MIS
>   > > Quadtones successfully?
>   > > > Also, is there anyone who's made the switch to
>   > > Piezography using the > 1200 with satisfactory
>   > results?  This seems to be
>   > > the direction I'm
>   > > heading.
>   > >
>   > > I'm much more interested in making excellent B&W
>   > > prints than
>   > > continually tweaking and testing.
>   > >
>   > > Thanks,
>   > > David
>   >
>   >      I am working with piezography software and an
>   > Epson 1200 printer. I like the ease of the software
>   > and the excellent tonal range of the prints. But the
>   > ugly green cast of the finished product is
>   > unacceptable. This green cast appears with every paper
>   > that I have tried from the cone tech sample pack.  the
>   > green cast of my prints in no way resembles the color
>   > cast of the free sample print that I received from the
>   > inkjetmall in the mail. I would like to say that all
>   > is well with Piezography but it is not.
>   >
>   >                     joe
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
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