Digital BW, The Print

Hi Clayton,

I agree completely, It does seem like the issue of naming these things is getting sort of 
crazy.  Specificity as you suggest would seem to be the way to go.  Silver Gelatin Print - 
now that was very specific.  The more I hear the term "Carbon Ink Print" the more I like it.  
The only thing which sort of gives me pause is that when people hear the word Ink vs. 
Pigment, I think the whole "inkJet" association is made which I don't like even as accurate 
as it is. Just makes me think of all those cheap desktop inkjet printers that were so Non-
archival, the prints would fade within months.  

Tariq
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...> wrote:
> 
> Hello Tariq,
> 
> >Sepia often also contains Yellow in addition to the two Blacks - 
> >at least as used by QuadTone Rip I believe.  Someone will correct 
> >me if I'm wrong on this(I hope) but to use the term Carbon with the 
> >UltraChrome inks, would you not need to restrict yourself to using 
> >the two blacks exclusively?  BO printing or QuadTone Warm only 
> >would do this.  
> 
> I would tend to favor this more strict interpretation.  I think if
> "Carbon Ink Print" is to become widely accepted it has to mean
> something more specific, rather than general. In my view, as a result
> of my own testing as well as all the other info out there, a pure
> carbon only print made with Eboni, Museum or MK is the most lightfast
> inkjet print possible today.  Theoretically, something with toners or
> color dots will not last as long, by varying amounts depending on the
> mix.  
> 
> How many years before change is visible is another matter, and some
> who aren't worried beyond their own lifetime may dismiss it.  But it
> is likely that some photos made today will still exist in 100 years
> and more.  A lot of silver stuff that old is now deteriorating and
> needing super cold storage to survive.  So I think it's a significant
> issue.  I use Eboni BO for most of my prints and I want my buyers to
> know they are getting something more permanent than one containing
> non-carbon pigments.  I think it's a good selling point
> 
> 
> 
> >Maybe Carbon Ink Print as Clayton says or the redundant Pigment Ink
> >Print, or for more redundancy, Carbon Pigment Ink Print.  Geez Or 
> >what about instead of using the word Ink, we use Liquid Pigment
> >Print(ha ha) 
> 
> LOL!  It gets kind of crazy.  Will be interesting to see how it
> unfolds.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
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