You can¹t ³reduce² what¹s not there... ;^) Obviously, too much blur will reduce detail. Two different things may be happening in renditions from optical (read wet) enlargements. I¹ve seen enough large prints where the grain is not resolved, or is resolved differently across the print, to realize that many darkroom prints simply were not completely in focus, or were out of alignment. Sometimes the out-or focus was intentional, sometimes not. Secondly, a diffuse light source would always minimize the grain (and gave rise to the same sorts of discussions as this one re- sharpness vs. smoothness). Bill on 3/30/05 6:25 PM, Djon wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bill Morse > <whm.lists@v...> wrote: >> > Whatever you do, don¹t assume that the various ³softening² > techniques aren¹t >> > reducing fine detail. > > Gaussian blur doesn't reduce fine detail if you can't see it in the > first place. > > A 4000ppi scan's rendition of grain is not necessarily as attractive > as the rendition from an optical enlargement. > > My experience is that if you begin with too much grain you may > actually increase appearance of sharpness with a combination of > Gaussian blur and USM. A photographic print exists in order to create > an appearance. > >> >Ultimately this is an aesthetic decision, balancing >> > smoothness against detail. > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=1297to83q/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=grou > ps/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1112311623/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http://www.netf > lix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub > scribe> > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Really Grainy Tri X scans
2005-03-31 by Bill Morse
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