Well Said. Thanks! --- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote: > I think two very different issues are getting > bundled into this one topic. > The differences between them are very important to > understand. The first is > whether having a good monitor profile (and proper > colour management > settings) is important or not. The second is the > fact that the print space > is very different from the displayed workspace. I > regard the first as > important and would urge that what I would call > "dumbing down" the monitor - > deliberately moving it away from a well-profiled > state - is not a wise > course of action, particularly if it results from a > lack of understanding of > the second. > > But the biggest issue in this discussion is that the > print space is a lot > narrower than the displayed workspace. We can > display better black and > brighter white than we can print - on a > well-profiled monitor or not so > well-profiled. Understanding this is useful. How > the workspace and print > space map to each other are quantifiable - at least > for those that are > creating the print spaces (those that write QTR > curves, IJC curves or RGB > curves such as Paul's). If that mapping is > quantified and then made > available with the curves then the vast majority of > the monitor vs print > issue will likely disappear. Any residual mismatch > will in very large part > only be due to poor monitor profiling. > > It's worth winding back a little to how QTR - Gray > Lab and QTR - Gray Matte > Paper and QTR - Gray Photo Paper came about, and > even before. Quite some > time ago there was a discussion as to what the right > "linearization" in RIP > printing was and it was generally agreed than a > sensible practice in RIP > development was to linearize the printer such that > Lab's L(uminance) > readings were linear, ie that in stepping from paper > white to ink black the > progression in L would be uniform and linear. There > was then a lengthy > discussion about how we typically worked in Gray > Gamma 2.2 but the print > space was linear L from paper white to ink black > and, importantly we were > using a Same as Source workflow (meaning there was > no translation mechanism > in going from the image workspace to the print > space). Given we are using > Same as Source, the closer the two are aligned the > better and hence the > discussion of editing in Lab (rather than Gray Gamma > 2.2) and Roy's > derivation of Lab without the a and b channels: QTR > - Gray Lab. > > But is is easy to see that even with an image in Lab > or QTR - Gray Lab there > is still a marked difference between the workspace > and the print space for, > say, matte paper. Take a piece of paper and draw a > chart with L on the > vertical axis and normalised pixel value 0-100 on > the x-axis. (By normalised > I mean that whether the image is recorded in 8 bit > or 16 bit the scale has > been normalised to 0-100.) If we were to plot L > values for Lab or QTR - > Gray Lab the line would go from (0,0) to (100,100), > ie from pure black/L=0 > to pure white/L=100. Now write "darker than Lab" in > the area below the line > and "lighter than Lab" in the area above the line. > QTR or IJC have implicit > in their curve creation a linear progression of L > from paper white to ink > black, as noted above. But if paper white is L=96 > rather than 100 and ink > black is L=16 rather than zero we have a very > different profile than the Lab > workspace. Plot the line from (0,16) to (100,96). > From the chart it is > easy to see that the vast majority of images would, > in these circumstances, > print lighter than displayed on screen. We would > also note that they would > appear flat - the slope of the line is much flatter > than the Lab line: > there was reduced gamma and reduced dynamic range. > Therefore we still faced > two issues. Firstly, the images would still not > print as they were > displayed. Secondly, the linear mapping of images > to the print space would > produce "flat" images. Dealing with previewing the > image as it would print > is actually the easy part. A simple PS curve can > depict the print space > quite easily (using the % scale shift the white > point to (0%,4%) and the > black point down to (100%,84%) and leave the line > straight in the middle). > Carl Schofield also developed a way to use an Eye > One to generate an ICC > profile-based soft proof. The more difficult issue > was to remap on a more > satisfactory basis (not one-to-one mapping) from the > workspace to the > narrower print space and produce a more visually > pleasing print. This was > the big step forward that Roy took in providing us > all with the Matte Paper > and Photo Paper ICC profiles. Now we can use PS's > colour engine with > Perceptual Intent to map from the workspace to the > print space and produce a > more visually pleasing print in the narrower space. > In fact, it does away > with the need for working in Lab or Gray Lab, we can > stay in Gray Gamma 2.2 > if we so please because we have an engine for moving > from the workspace to > the colour space - we are no longer using a Same as > Source workflow. The > second advantage this gave was that since the > mapping uses an ICC profile we > can use PS's soft proofing features for an accurate > preview of the printed > image. In other words, we dealt with the second leg > of issue I noted in my > first paragraph. Any other residual mismatch > between screen and print is a > technical problem associated with either a poor > monitor profile or some > mismatch between the generic profile provided by Roy > and any > printer/ink/paper specific issues. The success of > the generic profile is > indicative of the fact that my second issue leg is > the critical one, much > less so the first. > > Now there remains the issue of those workflows that > remain Same as Source. > Quite understandably Paul's workflow and the BO > workflow are still grappling > with the "matching monitor to the print issue". Not > only might they have to > deal with poor monitor profiles but they still > haven't provided a solution > to the second larger issue of providing a mechanism > for previewing the > mapping from workspace to print space. I would > suggest that this is > actually easy to do and can be readily provided to > others using those > workflows who do not have access to the equipment > necessary to do it. I > would also suggest that focus be given just to the > larger, second of the two > issues I noted. How to do this? There are two > methods that come > immediately to mind. One requires a densimeter only > while the second > requires an Eye One Photo. Remember I am not > suggesting that everyone needs > access to one of these - just those developing the > curves for that workflow. > Let's use Paul's workflow as an example. If he had > access to an Eye One, for > example, for each of his developed curves (eg > 2200-UT7-EEM-Neutral) he could > follow Carl Schofield's soft proofing technique and > provided with each curve > an ICC soft proof profile which could be used while > working up an image. > (Note, Paul doesn't face the issue faced by QTR and > IJC on how to map from a > linear workspace to a narrower linear print space - > he maps this by hand as > part of developing his curves. He simply faces the > issue of portraying this > on screen.) Someone with access to an Eye One could > also provide a BO 1.8 > and BO 2.2 ICC profile for a printer/paper/ink > combination. Alternatively, > if, say, Paul does not have an Eye One and so can't > take advantage of Carl's > soft proof technique or can't find a similar > technique that works with his > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching Monitor and Print
2005-04-09 by guy washburn
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