Digital BW, The Print

If you consider pointing out that the image you put forward as having "a 
sensor and system that blows them away" is actually unsharp and noisy 
compared with those from the systems you were deriding, is personal, 
then I think you have a problem with the meaning of that term. Just look 
at the 'original' shot on the site you linked to, and the noise is 
pretty bad. I think considerably worse than the samples I've seen from 
the Canon 350D, though I don't own an 8Mp camera.

I'm sure others will come up with better sensors, but Fuji don't appear 
to have done so on this evidence. Take that personally if you like:-)

Like other photographers who shot Tri-X in the old days, I loved it for 
its sharp but very definite grain, and Acufin brought out those 
qualities well. Again, if you think I'm being personal pointing out that 
this is the case, its your problem, not mine.

At the moment the most likely direction of evolution of cameras seems to 
be into multi-purpose communication devices rather than in the direction 
shown by the F10. However I think we will see different devices for 
different needs, with cameras derived from current dSLRs such as the D2X 
still around in ten years time (and probably still compatible with 
current lenses), as well as pocketable devices that take pictures as 
well as working as a phone, accessing multimedia via the net, and more.

Regards

Peter Marshall
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Djon wrote:
> Peter, it's not necessary to turn the discussion personal. It's better
> to read skillfully for meaning. As well, Accufine used skillfully
> produced exceptionally fine grain at 1200 with Tri X. It dissolved
> grain...people that wanted grain used sharper developers, such as Rodinal.
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> I didn't say the F10 replaces DSLRs, but the technology of this $400
> camera is ahead of the technology in any 8mp digicam. No review and no
> example that I've seen suggests that any of the 8mp digicams begins to
> approach the low noise of the F10 at 400ei, not to mention 1600. 
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> If you have a new 8mp digicam, good luck. But you know as well as I do
> that one way or another it'll be an antique in ONE (count em')year. 
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> IMO the combination of Kodak and Fuji, as in the Olympus 4/3 chip, is
> of real interest. Kodak has been making sensors literally decades
> longer than any other "brand"...the first I ever saw were about 1978.
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> If Canon or Nikon want to sell physically smaller cameras they'll have
> to go to 4/3 or square because the aspect ratio has to change if lens
> diameter to get smaller...and smaller leads to faster focusing and
> greater depth of field therefore sharper focusing etc etc etc. 
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> All of this suggests orders of magnitude design changes within a year 
> IMO...and I think the SLR form factor will be abandoned completely.  
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