I agree with you. I've been pulling my hair out with this. I just couldn't get a handle on it at all. I'm not talking about little differences either. I think when things happen over time you just adjust slightly each time. I also know piezo very well so I was a little disconcerted that I couldn't get a consistant action together to process old files. I've been through 3 1160s and 3 cis units, but even prints made on the same system were showing discrepencies. Nothing to do with Piezo IMO, just a whole host of different factors - it caught me unawares though. Julian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Flashner" <tflash@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FS density mk2 > What we don't know is if the MIS inks will show density variations over time > too. I guess none of us, regardless of inkset, run calibration strips each > morning to check consistency. What we don't know is if all inks > settle/evaporate/change over time, how good batch to batch consistency is, > or the random effects the printers themselves (as evidenced in sporadic > microbanding etc,) seem to impose over time, not to mention paper batch > differences, environmental conditions, and that the "control prints" shift > over time. > > IOW, it might just be that Piezo inks have been in use longer, giving us > time to study them longer, but much of what is being attributable to brand > differences may be far more broad based than that. > > All I know is I use MIS VM now, but I feel in no way free from fear. I think > all this stuff is tricky! > > Todd > > > Now here is a funny thing. Mike and Paul both told me that FS printed > > lighter than Piezo. Reworking some protfolio prints I found the opposite to > > be true, with FS needing a 'lift' adjustment. But going back to some REALLY > > old prints, all I need to do to replicate the piezo prints is to pull down > > the gamma a touch in curves and lift the toe of the blacks. It looks like I > > did have some variation (big) in density with piezo. Printing for the last > > exhibition I had to do some curves adjustments to get the prints to match > > the older portfolio prints but I put it down to an aging effect. Not so I > > think. This Piezo is tricky stuff! > > > > Julian > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] FS density mk2
2001-12-03 by Julian Thomas
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