> >He knows histograms, and he knows the math, he knows tones get dropped. He >feels between output screening methods, the limited ability of humans to >differentiate anywhere near 256 tones, the amount of colors that can be >combined from as few as say 50 tones in each channel, etc, add up to >deteriorated 8-bit images that might look *slightly* different than their >16-bit counterparts, but not necessarily worse, and sometimes better. I can't help wondering if there's a corollary here to digital audio, if I can drift off-topic. The standard CD format, unchanged since 1980 or so, is 16 bit, 44 Khz sampling rate. One can easily demonstrate mathematically (Nyquist, etc.) that this standard provides complete reproduction of the audible spectrum and dynamic range. It was actually introduced under the banner of "Perfect Sound Forever". Problem was (and is) that the 16/44 CD never sounded as "good" as analog tape (or the venerable LP) in a high resolution audio system. The decimation, data jitter, and aliasing problems become easily audible. Audiophiles know this, but the average consumer is happy with their boombox and automobile playback. The insanely popular MP3 format uses heavy compression of CD quality digital and throws away scads of data, but most listeners never notice. There are now two "high-bit" audio formats being introduced that exploit the greater capacity of the DVD format. DVD-Audio is 24 bit, 96Khz, and SACD is a 1 bit, ultra high sampling system that esentially mimics analog. The improvement with either is instantly heard as a more "natural" presentation, not as more volume, detail, or violins. Few consumers have ever seen one of these discs, let alone heard one. This despite the fact that most recording today is actually mastered at 20-24 bit resolution (often from analog session tapes). The high resolution recording is instead dumped to 16 bit for release. Because the market for a "better than good enough" product is minescule, the record companies have little incentive to release titles in the high-bit format, despite the fact the superior original sits in their vaults. I suspect Adobe's perspective on bit depth is similar. The standard was based on what was possible 5 or 10 years ago. As a pre-press application, 8 bit is fine for the vast majority of users. The fact that today's scanners can provide 12, 14, or 16 bit data seems largely wasted. Yes, it permits more extensive manipulation without artifacts, but 16 bit may make no other difference in offset printing or web publishing. I come to digital from a photographic background. The 8x10 AZO in Amidol contact print is a standard I'm familiar with. (So's the 12x20 contact, but that's a bit much:-). Kodachrome 25, Ektar 25, platinum prints, Leica, Nikon, Schneider and Goerz glass, Tech Pan and Gigabit film. Ciba developed in Beers. I've even made a dye transfer print (once was enough!). I have high photographic standards. I like what I see from digital ink-jet printing, but my references have not been eclipsed. I'll be pleased when they are, because I don't want to rely on 19th century technology indefinitely.The few people (like myself) concerned with working directly with photographic images may not see the true benefit of 16 bit scans until "continuous tone" 16 bit printer technologies emerge. Or a hot-rod version of PS that streamlines the workflow and options for photographic output rather than print or web. And because I'm sure such products will eventually materialize, I will scan at the highest qualities I can, and archive the raw scans along with the negatives. For the same reason I kept my LPs. --
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Re: [Digital BW] 16-bit Scanning: Why?
2001-12-05 by Bruce Kinch
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