Very well said. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Frayn" <cafrayn@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] the black thing On 11-Jun-05, at 3:21 PM, Peter Johngren wrote: > Tyler - > > Sorry - you are right - it is my matte images that > suck - all of them. They don't give me the feeling > that what I experienced when taking the picture, is in > any way transferred to the final print. I simply like > a certain pizazz and impact that is lacking in any > matte prints I have seen so far, though I admit my > experience is limited. I've seen many inkjet prints over the years, those who have worked their files the best way possible for various outputs create stunning work, Tyler is a great example of that work. So are some who have come and gone from this forum. And a few who remain.. Antonis, Martin, Clayton, Paul to name a few (each with their own methodology) But, it's not so much the inks or papers used, or the RIP, or the printer... it's the way in which the workflow generates a good or excellent print, and the understanding behind that workflow. I personally have a difficult time with some who say with authority that this paper or that ink is bad.. period. Opinion should not be stated as fact. Spouting numbers is not the way I personally judge the quality of a print. I've used most of the papers that some here find inadequate, and I love some of them for different outputs. But I'm not after the holy grail of "black".. the image can sing or be stunning or be what you want it to be with the proper background knowledge in how to obtain it, with the output you have chosen to work with. Then again, I've also obtained beautiful blacks with many workflows... not measured. What I've found in print exchanges is very simple... be wary of who you are trusting when they talk about their prints... on any forum. Carolyn Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Digital BW] the black thing
2005-06-12 by Gary Brown
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