Ernst wrote: > For the newbies it may be interesting to do a Google search with > spinics epson culbertson to see what the progress was in 6 years of > B&W printing and what hasn't changed :-) > > Ernst Hi Ernst, That Leben list series also seems to be archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson-inkjet/ Unfortunately both archives only go back to 1998. I used to save all the previous Leben list emails but can't seem to find them anymore. Too bad since that is where quadtone printing with Epson printers evolved. So here is a brief history as I recall it (corrections are welcome): After a long series of laments about crappy grayscale images on inkjet printers I remember a discussion based on my frustrated comment "why can't we do four gray inks with a Stylus Color 3000 like Bruce Fraser describes in Real World Photoshop for standard offset printers?" That snowballed into a discussion on things like "would the grays be made by adding white ink to black or just thinning the black with transparent medium?" (I admit I favored the adding white route since I thought thinned black would fade) and "how would you get the driver to print it right?" Eventually Stephen Herron (spelling?) picked that up and ran with it then got MIS to sell his gray blends which he used with his Icefields software. Once four gray inks were available from MIS I started playing with multiple RIPs (Stylus RIP, Adobe PressReady and Sundance R9 plus a couple others) by converting grayscale images into CMYK files then manually partitioning the tones in each image for the inks using softproofing done by plain old CMYK ink setups in Photoshop (version 4 and 5). That is what I taught Tyler to do and I still have a couple of his early, very nice prints done that way. Later there was Horse's (now ColorVision) Profiler Pro which did a fair job of softproofing the gray inks with a profile if you treated it right. But that manual partitioning system was such a pain in the rear, rocket-science, way to do things that other good folks (Jon Cone and the Piezography gurus first I think) carried on the mission with drivers (RIPS) that did the tonal partitioning for you for their proprietary quad inksets. About that same time Paul Roark came up with some good RGB methods using the standard Epson drivers and MIS inks. I found you could also use ProfilerPro to make a softproofing profile for any of those RGB methods but few people seemed to pick up on it. Gray inks and workflows proliferated and I had to start paying attention to my day job (which paid my bills for all those Epson printers I wrecked with experimental inks and solvents) and the rest is all probably documented in this here list. I do remember late in the game, when I was tired of mutating and killing Epson printers, pleading with the lords of Epson for a CcMmYKkk printer (i.e. with tritone gray/black along with the color inks) *and* a printer that had a real blue ink (for me) and red or purple ink (for CD Tobie). Now we have the 1800 and the 2400/7800/9800. So they do listen - eventually. Unfortunately I just read here the 2400 with its tritone gray/black is still mixing yellow ink into the light tones (shame shame Epson!). Oh well - the 3rd party rips are still necessary I guess. At least Epson now has 3 gray inks all its own. About time! Wonder if I could put those Epson grays in one of the old 3000s (just kidding!). Dan
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[Digital BW] Re: Will we be obsolete? More...
2005-06-28 by Danny Culbertson
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