Paul, I think your criticism is simply of the particular Canon shift lens you own, and unfair in that you are talking of using it for something it was not designed for. For years I shot almost everything I took on 35mm on an Olympus shift lens, and it was an excellent performer, sharp into the corners even at full shift. Just a pity it doesn't fit on my Nikon. There are a lot of reviews that do seem to show the 'sweet spot' argument is a good one, and also of course using lenses with a larger images circle gives less vignetting, which is more of a problem with digital than it ever was on film. However the main point of some of the reviews is that some lenses designed for film are not capable of getting the best out of some digital cameras (even full-frame digital.) This is true of some very expensive glass that performs well on film. Lens designers do usually now claim to be designing for digital, and this does seem to mean something, not just marketing talk. Although the lack of a mirror made it possible to design great wide-angles for rangefinders (and I'm a great fan of some of these, with a 15mm, 21mm, 24mm and 28mm that are great as well as an 'interesting' 35mm f1.4) unfortunately they don't seem to suit digital cameras. Regards Peter Marshall petermarshall@... +44 (0)1784 456474 31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Paul Roark wrote: >>... The advantage of only using the 'sweet spot' >>area of the lens is clear, ... >> >> > >I think this is a bogus argument that is used mostly as a way to sell >obsolete lenses to digital camera owners. For a given price point and all >else being equal, the larger the image circle, the poorer the lens will be. >One doesn't get something for nothing. Covering more area requires more of >an optical design, not to mention heavier, larger lenses. > >Likewise, the need in the full-frame cameras to keep the rear element away >from the mirror requires a greater sensor to lens space than the smaller >digital sensors require. This is significant for wide angle lenses. One >reason many prefer rangefinder cameras is that their symmetrical-design wide >angle lenses are better than the retro-focus SLR lenses. 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Re: [Digital BW] Digital vs scan for BW Print
2005-07-08 by Peter Marshall
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