Hello Ukko, >Some of you have reported that there seems to be some "coloration" >in their Epson 2400 B&W prints. > I have never seen any in mine. > Just to be sure, I just scanned a Advanced B&W Mode "Warm" print on Epson Premium Glossy (Epson 4870, Vuescan, 600 DPI, Color Photo). It is dead neutral even at a magnification of 600 per cent. I think I'm the one who introduced that, so let me explain. From the beginning of my involvement almost 4 years ago I have been unsatisfied with the tones resulting from adding color inks to the blacks in order to push them cool toward neutral or warm toward sepia. Where someone claimed neutral I could see tinges of C and M, sometimes a blue-greenish look. In claimed sepia prints I could see some M and Y and various orange-ish colors. None of it was really convincing to me. I didn't see shades of black, I saw brown with colors mixed in, both with RIP prints using separate color ink dots and grayscale ink sets where the colors are mixed into the inks as toners. This is one of the reasons I have stuck with BO printing all this time, because there are no color inks involved. By divine grace or whatever, Eboni is a bit cooler than MK, and is rendered anywhere from very warm to nearly pure black by various papers. These tones are "pure", in the sense that those various tinges of colors simply aren't there. Over these years I have experimented with other systems (as I write this I am deep into some experiments using QTR and various ink mixtures) and every time I try something I bump into this coloration problem, in one form or another. A few weeks ago someone sent me several 4800 prints, on a couple of different glossy papers as well as EEM, and I recently made a 2400 MK/ABW print on PR in a store. While these prints are all about as good as it gets using current technology, in all cases I can see the presence of these colors. The simple fact is that we are trying to emulate shades of gray using color inks, and no matter how well done, colors are colors. So it seems to me that while the K3 printers make it as easy as it has ever been to get good results, there has been no real advance in the area of tones. They have just made it easier to do out of the box what has already been achieved by other more laborious means. When I look at these prints, they look great on one level, but on the more subtle level that I am sensitive to, nothing has changed. I don't want to pay $850 to get something I don't want. I know that many (maybe even most) other users aren't bothered by the coloration, probably don't even see it. That's fine, but my gut feeling is that we have been looking at it for so long now we've simply accepted the look. Perhaps as a group we have lost our collective memory of what BW emulsion prints looked like. Funny that I should be saying that because I have continually made the case that ink prints are a different media and we shouldn't expect them to look like silver. It's true, but it doesn't mean I can't strive for pure tones. I'm actually getting them and have been ever since Eboni arrived in 2003. They just come with a price - dots. The only difference between us BO users and everyone else is that we haven't been willing to sacrifice certain qualities we love in order to get rid of the dots. I'm probably more sensitive to the coloration because I've stuck with BO all along. I sit here surrounded by prints that look, well, black and white. They are rich, black, and they glow with a gorgeous intensity. And when I pull out the K3 prints...I just don't get that warm fuzzy feeling about them, my stomach gets uncomfortable. They look fake, somehow, with unconvincing blacks. As an analogy, it's like looking at a fake Picasso, albeit one that is very skillfully done. It may fool the masses, but the museum director who has handled the real thing for years isn't fooled. His gut instinct waves red flags all over the place. Please understand I am not trying to be critical of those who like K3 prints. I think it great, and these printers will surely have a huge impact and bring legions of photographers over the line into digital printing. In the long run this will be a boon to the industry and will help propel more R&D. I just don't think we are where we need to be just yet, and I'm not satisfied. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
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Re: 2400 B&W And Coloration
2005-08-05 by Clayton Jones
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