That is an analogy that I can "see" Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 B&W And Coloration Hello Scott, ><cj@c...> wrote: "Perhaps as a group we have lost our >collective memory of what BW emulsion prints looked like." >I am not so sure we have EVER been looking at "pure" black tones in >our traditional printing.... I think you are misinterpreting what I said, I was not referring only to black prints. If you read it again you will see that I also referred to sepia prints, and described the various tones from neutral to very warm that I get using BO. What I was trying to say (I'll try again, this is about the 4th time) is that the tones we get using color inks don't look like the various color tones we get with emulsion prints. Look closely at a supposedly neutral print (neutral means black, not blue or green or anything else) and you see all sorts of subtle colors. You don't see black that looks like the black of a cold tone silver paper (or whatever other tone is being imitated), you see imitation black with all sorts of tints floating around in it. If that doesn't bother you, then fine. But print Eboni BO on Kayenta and you won't see those colors. I'm spoiled I guess. The same for sepia. I have yet to see an inkjet "sepia" print that looks anything like a real sepia print. I have only seen unconvincing fake sepia and to me it looks horrible. I agree that in many ways our IJ prints are better. But on this particular issue I find the mixing of color inks very unsatisfying. I'm waiting and hoping for something better. Here's another analogy. Walk into Office Depot and you'll see a wide range of nice looking office furniture. It's all made of particle board covered with veneers and bolted together with various fasteners. It all looks real nice, the technology has come a long way. This stuff is ubiquitous, and we all accept it. It performs a real need for nice looking furniture that is relatively inexpensive, reduces hardwood tree usage and other good stuff. It's a real boon and satisfies the masses. There's nothing wrong with it. But anyone who has done woodwork or knows fine furniture isn't fooled by it for a second. Those who appreciate the difference and can afford it have the real thing. The imitation stuff is fine as long as you don't examine it too closely. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the MailScanner at SWKO.net and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MX3.SWKO.NET, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MX3.SWKO.NET, and is believed to be clean.
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 B&W And Coloration
2005-08-05 by Dan Koons
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