Digital BW, The Print

And what good is an expensive print, purchased from a professional, that changes dramatically with time..due to the use of fugitive dye based inks?  

If used by a commercial photographer to produce a print that is later "scanned" or used in prepress work...I think it is fine.  

If sold as a Fine Art print for assumed hundreds of dollars...I think different.  

Of course some people get paid to create sculptures in ice...so permanence is not everything. 

Steadman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mtucker508 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Neutral RGB Grayscale


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography 
  <skid@b...> wrote:
  > I have never heard of a metamerism problem with dye based 
  inks...I thought it was strictly a pigment ink
  > problem.

  Harvey, Mike,

  I'll just throw in my two cents here. I seem to be the king of trying 
  (read: fighting) to print B/W with color inks. In my neurotic search 
  for long life prints and stability, I just switched back (again) to 
  Generations4. It supposedly had "less" metamerism than other 
  pigments. In the last day or so, I've had to admit to myself that I 
  must switch inks AGAIN; the metamerism is simply FAR too 
  much. I have been just "looking the other way" in regard to this, 
  but it's just gotta happen when I return from this new trip.

  I had been using MIS 6-color "1270-type inks" in my 7000, and 
  the contrast and punch is killer, with absolutely NO metamerism 
  at all. I could ask nothing more from these inks, short of wanting 
  them to be stable in fifty or so years. I just put up my first real 
  show, and all the prints (36 big ones) are made with the MIS 
  dyes, and they look great on the wall; night or day; tungsten or 
  daylight.

  Just this morning on the way to coffeemaker, in my underwear, I 
  walked past this 24x48" print that's thumbtacked to the wall, near 
  the front window. It looked noticeably green; so much that it took 
  me back. But last night, as I went to bed, I walked past it and it hit 
  me how nice it looked -- warm, sepia, perfect.

  I have owned a 7500 (sent it back). I have used other 
  Generations inks in my first 7000 (stopped). Now, this with the 
  Gen4. Thank God I'm leaving for a few weeks so I can not deal 
  with this til January.

  The question you (I) have to ask is: what good is a print that lasts 
  forever, if you don't even like it today?

  -MT


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