My dream machine would actually have the deep black, two grays, and 3 colors. Then we could get the best of both worlds. I tried the Generations color pigs and thought I had them relatively well controlled, but then later the prints were not the same. I think my 1160 printer variances are too great. In doing these MIS VM curves, I see test strips from a fair number of people, and they all exhibit + or - 1-2% variances even where there were no changes in the curves. So, given the sensitivity of the eye to tints with neutral prints, I wonder if the commonly-used printers are consistent enough to give good, neutral B&W prints from day-to-day using the color inks. Maybe the 6-ink printers are better at this than the 4-inkers, but I definitely see variations in densities with all of them. In designing the variable-tone system, I held the gamut of the toner down as low as I could be avoid these problems surfacing. The gamut is cut to the point where it can just barely hit neutral at 90% on my 1160. That seems to be working. While I see variances of about 1 unit (of 256) in the degree of coolness or warmness, they seem to be consistent across the print. Also, when I look at my color ink experiments now, they look terrible. I think the pigments may be fading at different rates, thus increasing the problems. I have some B&Ws made from color dyes, and they look very magenta after a year or so of display. I also tried the black-ink-only approach. With my 1160 and with the 1280 samples I've seen, they may work for those who like the grainy look, but they don't work for the landscapes I like. It was not only grain, but also banding artifacts that showed up. I know of people using Epson black dye with quad pigments. The results are said to be striking, but I wonder about metamerism, fading, and warm-shifting. I tried the Generations Enhanced black in the variable-tone mix, but it showed metamerism and warm-shifted more. Mike, you mentioned your attempts to hang Piezo or FS quads next to a silver print. That is exactly what got me into all this. They just don't look good hanging together, and I have lots of silver prints. So far the MIS VM is the best solution. It still has a slight bit of green in it, but they look quite good next to my mildly-selenium-toned silver prints. The neutral base I'm now finalizing for the sepia-neutral variable-tone and the FS-neutral will be dead-on neutral at 50% and through the midtones, on average. I'm putting a tad more magenta than cyan in it to get than green channel down to equal to the red and blue. Paper choice makes a fair amount of difference here also. But, I don't think any of these inkset will ever truly be as neutral as the silver prints. If they are visually equal and stay that way for a number of years, then that's where I stop worrying about it. So, maybe the universal inkset will be here someday, but I'd guess most of us are going to be most satisfied with quads for a couple more years. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Re: [Digital BW] Neutral RGB Grayscale
2001-12-14 by Paul Roark
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