Digital BW, The Print

Steve,

    This is all very fine but I still would like to hear what the 
same image printed on the same paper looks like coming from a 2200 
using UltraCrome inks and QTR or IJC or ImagePrint (I happen to use 
QTR) compaired to the 2400 using the ABW Epson Driver and K3 inks. 
Side by side what does someone think. Is there a definate difference 
between one and another. What is it. Is it an improvement. Someone 
please do this simple exercise if you happen to have both printers. 
It could be a 4000 vs 4800, or a 7600 vs...)Please the same 1440 as 
well.

John H




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> I think there has been plenty of posts which would help you with 
this.
> 
> The properties of the new K3 inks have been discussed a lot - the 
fact that
> this discussion has related to the 4800 (first to market - the 
7800 and 9800
> are only just now available) at times is irrelevant for the most 
part. The
> matte paper greyscale output has been improved over the original 
UC inks
> with the introduction of LLK.  But with MIS greyscale/quad inks 
you had LLK
> already.  Hence I think you will find that the true advancement 
associated
> with the K3 inks vs "MIS greyscale" inks is really the performance 
on photo
> papers - namely significant improvements re gloss differential and 
bronzing.
> Aside from the inks, the Epson Adv B&W driver offers significant 
ease of use
> enhancements for many users.  It's not perfect, but a dramatic 
improvement
> over its predecessors.  Only fade tests will determine whether 
there is
> weakness associated with the use of yellow ink in the greyscale.  
Some have
> claimed they can see subtle colour shifts in the greyscale ramp 
but I really
> do think this is not the case - they may see/"perceive" it but I 
certainly
> don't.  I see a nice smooth greyscale and easily determinable hue 
with the
> picker.  This is a massive jump from the 21/2200 and more akin to 
Imageprint
> output.  
> 
> So I think that's about it.  If you like photo paper output then 
the K3 inks
> are a significant advance.  If you only print matte then they are 
less so
> because you can get 3 shades of grey from a variety of sources.  
Both the
> 21/2200 and the 2400 (4000 and 4800) are controllable with the 
same RIPs.
> 
> 
> > From: mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:21:30 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 Vs. 2200  (4800 vs 4000, 7800 
vs.......)
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones" <cj@c...>
> > wrote:
> >> Hello Martin,
> >> 
> >>> how do prints on an Epson 2200 using MIS Assoc. inks and a RIP
> >>> compare vs a 2400 for both matte and photo K inks.
> >> 
> >> Do you mean MIS color inks or UT7 grayscale inks?
> > 
> > 
> > Grey scale.  I should have been more specific.
> > 
> > Martin