Digital BW, The Print

I have to disagree with you. I never printed anything but matte papers on my 
2400 and the amount of control with the new driver and the quality of the 
images with the K3 inks is a significant improvement.

There are two things that I see on this list quite often. One is Paralysis 
by Analysis, people seem to spend more time analyzing curves and step wedges 
then printing. They are always looking for a shortcut instead of 
experimenting to determine what works best for them. Second people have a 
tendency to give expert opinions about what they know very little about, 
such as printing two images and the analyzing the printer. I have printed 
over 100 images on my 2400 and still do not consider myself an expert on 
that printer.

These comments are not directed at any individuals, I  consider this list to 
be an invaluable source of information.

That said, I will still continue to read each message in detail, go figure.

Gary

www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 Vs. 2200 (4800 vs 4000, 7800 vs.......)


I think there has been plenty of posts which would help you with this.

The properties of the new K3 inks have been discussed a lot - the fact that
this discussion has related to the 4800 (first to market - the 7800 and 9800
are only just now available) at times is irrelevant for the most part. The
matte paper greyscale output has been improved over the original UC inks
with the introduction of LLK.  But with MIS greyscale/quad inks you had LLK
already.  Hence I think you will find that the true advancement associated
with the K3 inks vs "MIS greyscale" inks is really the performance on photo
papers - namely significant improvements re gloss differential and bronzing.
Aside from the inks, the Epson Adv B&W driver offers significant ease of use
enhancements for many users.  It's not perfect, but a dramatic improvement
over its predecessors.  Only fade tests will determine whether there is
weakness associated with the use of yellow ink in the greyscale.  Some have
claimed they can see subtle colour shifts in the greyscale ramp but I really
do think this is not the case - they may see/"perceive" it but I certainly
don't.  I see a nice smooth greyscale and easily determinable hue with the
picker.  This is a massive jump from the 21/2200 and more akin to Imageprint
output.

So I think that's about it.  If you like photo paper output then the K3 inks
are a significant advance.  If you only print matte then they are less so
because you can get 3 shades of grey from a variety of sources.  Both the
21/2200 and the 2400 (4000 and 4800) are controllable with the same RIPs.


> From: mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:21:30 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 Vs. 2200  (4800 vs 4000, 7800 vs.......)
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
> <cj@c...>
> wrote:
>> Hello Martin,
>>
>>> how do prints on an Epson 2200 using MIS Assoc. inks and a RIP
>>> compare vs a 2400 for both matte and photo K inks.
>>
>> Do you mean MIS color inks or UT7 grayscale inks?
>
>
> Grey scale.  I should have been more specific.
>
> Martin





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