Paul Roark said: >Bruce Barnbaum has an article in the >latest (September/October, 2005) > >Photo >Techniques magazine entitled, "The >Future of Traditional Photography." . . >. >The article struck me as a thoughtful >piece rather than a dogmatic >reaction >of a silver theologian. Paul - I read that article too but I had a different reaction to it than you did. The principal problem I had is that it purports to be about "traditional" photography (camera and darkroom) vs "digital" but he doesn't distinguish between use of a digital camera and printing digitally (whether from a digital camera or a scanned negative). Many of his statements, arguments etc. relating to "digital" are actually relevant only to digital cameras and are irrelevant to printing digitally as such. But he never ackowledges that distinction and instead just talks about how much better traditional photography (camera and darkroom) is than "digital." For example, a good part of the second page of the two page article is taken up with the advantages of having a negative vis a vis only having the image stored on a disc. That's all fine and good but it's relevant only to using digital cameras, not to printing digitally from scanned negatives (or positives). He also talks about the "contemplative" aspects of traditional photography as compared with the "immediacy" of seeing a digital image in the camera, something that's obviously relevant only to use of a digital camera. Basically he seems to me to present a mish mash of objections to "digital," most of which apply only to using a digital camera, not to printing digitally. But he never makes that distinction and instead just lumps everything he dislikes under the rubric of "digital." Then there are the just plain wrong statements, e.g. "the traditional darkroom has improved tremendously in recent years." The only example he gives is the advent of variable contrast paper, which has been around since at least the early 1970s. I can't think of any change in darkroom practice, procedure, or equipment in "recent years" that would be considered a "tremendous improvement" and if pressed for specifics I doubt that Bruce could either. And then there's the totally unsupported opinions presented as fact, e.g. "art is a contemplative and solitary process and traditional methods lend themselves better to that approach." All in all I thought this article was just more of the usual stuff that comes from diehard darkroom types who are trying to justify the fact that they learned to work one way, they built their reputations that way, and they don't want to change that way for whatever reason so they feel compelled to justify their way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: John Sexton's comment on B&W print Bruce Barnbaum has an article in the latest (September/October, 2005) Photo Techniques magazine entitled, "The Future of Traditional Photography." While he thinks both media will co-exist quite nicely, he does prefer the traditional approach. He likes the solitude and process of the darkroom, and he dislikes what he sees as "instant decisions" that tend to be made with digital capture -- seeing the image on the LCD, etc. and deleting images too quickly. The article struck me as a thoughtful piece rather than a dogmatic reaction of a silver theologian. Frankly, my view is that the skills of making a good B&W print are quite transferable between the wet darkroom and the computer. Most of the content of the articles Barnbaum writes about working up a print could be talking about digital tools rather than the darkroom analogies. Digital B&W technology is at a sufficiently high level now that it's the image and skill/"eye" of the (human) printer that distinguishes the good ones from the mundane. Paul www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. 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Re: [Digital BW] Re: John Sexton's comment on B&W print
2005-08-21 by Brian Ellis
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