Digital BW, The Print

Your talking experience my man and that also applies to both approaches.

Experience is long term related and is arbitrary, it includes interpretation
and misinterpretation and therefore is not predictable and not transferable
and takes a long time to obtain.

You are talking judgment here my man, arbitrary judgment which is the
standard stock-in-trade of the subjectivists.

I would therefore suggest that you are probably talking about the most
subjective issue of the lot and it's the most volatile and unpredictable
judgment of the lot.....ART.

I'm not, I'm talking about measurable and scientifically definable QUALITY.

Of course you have yet to bring up the greatest red herring of them  all
that goes under the handle of "Talent". I mean to say you can get away with
any argument if you describe someone as talented, because it then becomes
necessary for the opposition to prove a lack of talent and that is just pure
subjectivity.

My position remains intact I believe.

That suggests it's check mate on you and the Olympic garland for me.


NEXT!...... Bring 'em all on and I'll take them down one by one, especially
so if they come from the America's, a land of "here today and gone tomorrow"
and "Johny-come-lately's"......oh and I left out "carpetbaggers" or should
that be "carpetbuggers"?

Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendel
White
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:09 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Color Management without instruments (T vs PR
)

> You mean all the bad practices based on the users prejudices and what they
> do well generally get bypassed by technological developments and
eventually
> disappear.
> 
> Richard

Richard,

For me subjectivity is not the same as arbitrary and it may be that we have
different notions of the merits of subjective knowledge. Subjectivity can
(and should) be a very high form of intellectual reasoning, a means of
transcending the limits raw data, gaining real understanding and thereby
producing results that are art.

Certainly we all know that if you are ill and visit two different physicians
and they both review the same data, one of them might be able to "see beyond
the numbers" to recommend a better course of action--using subjective skills
to assess the situation. The same is true for printing - I want both skills
because neither is of much value without the other.

Wendel





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