Digital BW, The Print

>I have been using the Lysonic E (color ink) in an Epson 3000.
>Printing quite a lot (test prints mostly) and working towards a
>neutral (though it's not a concern for me at all).
>
>The observation...
>
>The black in is quite cool to blue therefore when working towards a
>neutral the printer is using a lot of magenta to balance.
>
>Rational for the observation...I had acheived the 'neutral' I wanted
>and for fun printed one with black ink only to compare.  Been
>watching the ink monitor level on magenta drop at a faster rate than
>black.
>
>Simple observation I know but one to consider when you get low on
>inks and need to order more ;-)
>
>Cleavis


Just a long footnote to Cleavis's post about one of Lyson's black options:

At 5:31 PM -0500 10/31/99, ILLUMINALL@... wrote:
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>From: ILLUMINALL@...
>Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:31:02 EST
>Subject: Re:  Re: Black blacker?
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>Andy Darlow wrote:
><<If I'm not mistaken, some users are filling their Epson 3000 carts with the
>Lyson FA black, available for Iris and much more neutral than the bluish
>black of the E set.>>
>----------
>Andy, it was the Lyson FA that I used with the Lysonic E, since I didn't like
>the colder, blue-black of the E's inkset. The FA is like a nice Ivory Black
>gouache... just a little warm. I'm using the Fotonic now, but was considering
>going back to the FA black, as the Fotonic black doesn't seem as deep and
>rich to me as the FA is. However, am now considering using the Generations
>inkset next, to not have the Fotonic's metamerism (color-shifting).
>
>For those interested, I purchased the FA black from Pete Lepovsky at i-Lab
>(603) 362-9990).
>
>Ken Johnston  /  Heartworks, Inc.  /  Dallas,  TX  USA


Ken did go back to Lyson's FA black:

At 6:42 PM -0500 1/24/00, ILLUMINALL@... wrote:
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>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:42:25 EST
>Subject: Re:  Re:  Re: Blacker blacks than black?
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>I wrote:
> >>I'm using Lyson Fotonics with Lyson FA black, >
>
>...which prompted C. David Tobie to ask:
> >Could we get a description of your use of this ink set?
>----------
>David, I'm using the Fotonic CMY and the Lyson FA black in my Epson 3000 to
>do reproductions of my mixed-media artwork and to produce manipulated-photo
>'underpaintings' -- upon which I then use transparent and opaque watercolors,
>Prismacolor pencils, pastels, and Caran d'Ache watersoluble artist's crayons.
>
>My printing is primarily on Somerset Velvet Radiant White at this time,
>though I may try Osprey or Somerset Enhanced for reproduction purposes soon.
>
>The Fotonic black ink was not sufficiently 'deep' for me. I'm a bit like
>Jerry Olson... I like rich blacks, and the Lyson FA (which I was using with
>the Lysonic E some months ago) reminds me of Windsor Newton's Ivory Black
>gouache, which I use in my original work.
>
>Pete Lepovsky at i-Lab has told me that the Lyson FA does not do well on some
>coated papers, so I am keeping this in mind. I may switch to the Generations
>or the Ilford Archiva/Mile High inks sometime later this year.
>
>Did this answer your question? Is there something I *should* know that
>prompts YOUR question?
>
>Thanks David, as always!
>
>Ken Johnston  /  Heartworks, Inc.  /  Dallas, TX  USA

Sam


but, troubled by metamerism, then shifted to MediaStreet's Generations:

At 5:42 PM -0400 6/24/00, ILLUMINALL@... wrote:
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:42:51 EDT
>Subject: I like Generations! ( was Extrem gamut ink/1200 printer)
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>Jerry Olson wrote:
>
> >Troy, why on earth won't the public buy generation inks prints? I sell
> >them all the time. The gamut is about 95 percent of epsons, in fact you
> >couldn't tell the difference unless you had the prints side by side.
>----------
>Troy, I agree with Jerry. While most of my images are landscapes in
>naturalistic colors, some are manipulated to be highly saturated and
>neon-like. I find that Generations Micro-Bright inks (with Osprey and other
>papers) fully produces the richness and depth of color I see upon my
>ProveIt!-calibrated monitor. I will say however that I've used Matchlock
>Profiler II to create the profiles for this ink, so that may be the
>difference between my results and yours, if you're not using a profile for
>the inks.
>
>If I was needing/wanting to use a coated glossy paper, I'd not be as happy
>with the Generations inks, but since I much prefer the matte papers for my
>artworks, I am totally happy with the Generations inks. Another reason I like
>these inks is there's not nearly as much metamerism (visual color/hue shift
>under different temperatures of light) as there was with the Lysonic E or
>Fotonic inks.
>
>Anyway, I hope you'll find something that you're satisfied with, and my best
>wishes to you in that regard!
>
>Ken Johnston  /  Heartworks, Inc.  /  Dallas, TX  USA


End of story as far as I know.

Sam