If you get a 4800, you will not have excess ink problems with Epson paper, and unlikely to on most of the others that we use. Some of the older epson drivers had excess ink loading when using no ICM. Read all about getting around the problem by using color controls at drycreekphoto.com under printing a profile target. Profiles that I have created for my 2200 using color controls have better tonal transition, but smaller gamuts than ones with no ICM. Even though the gamut is smaller, the prints do not appear to be lacking color saturation I have profiles for both settings and select based on the image content. This being a BW list, we dont care much about color gamut, so the raging concern over limited gamuts by using color controls is somewhat a non-issue. I would use the color controls option in the printer driver with at least one non-zero value as explained at drycreekphoto.com to achieve the ink limiting you are looking for. If you really have the cash to burn, the colorGPS CMYK profiler that goes with the latest ErgoSoft RIP is very good; very smooth perceptual intent handling of out of gamut colors. That, and the Evolution RIP were my favorites when I wasted so much time evaluating them all. If I had a 4800 with OEM inks, I would use the Epson driver with Qimage; hard to improve the output quality with any RIP, maybe impossible. I would love to hear if someone has found a way; especially the black dots of a black-red ramp. Best regards, John Moody -----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Olivier Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:53 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Greg- 4800 RIP + Steve Well that's a lot of goodwill and understanding that is shown here, thanks again guys. Starting by reposning to Steve, I did not yet noticed the 4800 was supported, it's good news. Meanwhile I precisely do not want any colors or toning in my BW prints : I'm quite happy with the piezotone and QTR rendering and the 4800 if used for BW will have to only use gray inks of the K3 (though I can not yet assess wether 3 parts of gray are enough for a smooth grayscale with non-visible dots). Greg, thanks to you too. I have learnt to my detriment that's the Pulse has a limited soft. I rushed to get one and regret it today (though it's very esay to use... maybe too much). I can not figure out how a change in driver settings could possibly solve the ink limit problem. The way I learnt it was that I had to turn basically everything off in Epson driver to create the profile. I'll try to find out. I understood from your explanation that only CMYK RIP+ CMYK profile can limit ink : which makes sense since the combination will control the ink channel. As you said I have not found a 1800 RIP (except QTR but for BW). OB is soft-treated by GM, not any X-rite product : to add to my pain I of course took the UV-filtered Pulse... so no chance for me to benefit from this feature anyway. Now the part of much interest for me. I'm frankly not planning to move to 3rd part ink for the 4800 (unless I can find a real benefit that can only be judged by tests...and advises)and of course at the time being. Though I may consider another K as you rightly mentionned. However, If the 4800 is so well set out of the box and I find a way in the driver to limit the 1800 ink overload (and on the 4800 if the new K shows the same issue) then I'm on my way to easier printing. I don't have an issue on paper and ink testing as long as they are Epson ones : I get them very cheap (up to a certain extend). I have more concerns in buying the softs (whether profilers or RIPS)and getting wrong : I have the bad Pulse experience that I'd not like to repeat. I'm ready to spend a significant time on learning this. Not being a pro, I don't make money out of it nor do I need to. So it's only leisure, I can afford the time and some spare cash if well spent. Thanks for the link, I know the site but I did not go to it for a while. I'll be hunting for information there. Olivier Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Greg- 4800 RIP + Steve
2005-10-12 by John Moody