Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" 
<roy@h...> wrote:
>
> 
Roy-

Thanks for the response.  I used "paper white" in the 2.3.0 profile 
and found this useful.  I can't use it in the 2.3.2 profile (without 
also "simulating" the ink).  But are you saying that there is no 
grayscale information going to the soft proof (other than paper white 
in 2.3.0)?

Thank you,
Walt


> I have to agree that I don't particularly like either of the 
Simulate check boxes.
> These are both Photoshop features not ICC features.  There is no 
info about
> what PS is really doing with these.  The only thing that the ICC 
profile has in it
> that I think is relevant is the media white-point and black-point.  
These are
> just the values read for the paper white and the darkest ink patch.
> 
> The major difference between 2.3.0 and 2.3.2 is that the former 
used a single
> gray transfer tag so soft-proof really didn't show anything.  The 
new one uses
> the color lookup tables which have two curves -- a gray one for 
printing and a
> color one for the softproofing.
> 
> Roy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean simulate black ink instead of "ink color" in the  
> > softproof dialog (CS2) ?  Also, I agree that checking simulate 
paper  
> > color and/or black ink when softproofing  is not at all 
realistic  
> > (even when looking away to avoid brain tricks).  Just doesn't cut 
it  
> > for me.  Like putting a fog layer over the image.  I get 
excellent  
> > screen/print matches with neither of these options checked, using 
a  
> > calibrated Apple LCD monitor.
> > 
> > Carl
> > 
> > 
> > > I have discovered that the soft proofing is different in 2.3.2 
than it
> > > was in 2.3.0, as follows:
> > >
> > > In 2.3.0, paper color can be selected but this does not 
automatically
> > > select ink color.  This is a very accurate soft proof.  It is 
not
> > > possible with any combination of soft proof settings to select 
ink
> > > color.
> > >
> > > In 2.3.1, when paper color is selected, ink color is 
automatically
> > > selected.  There is no way to select paper color without ink 
color.
> > >
> > > With Epson canned color profiles, soft proofing works as with 
2.3.0.
> > >
> > > Regardless of what has been said, the ink-color-checked soft 
proof  
> > > does
> > > not provide an accurate soft proof of the print output with 
regard to
> > > darker tones.  Having looked at BW photographs for 40 years, I 
am  
> > > quite
> > > confident of that.
> >
>