I'm not sure of the exact origin of 35mm (I seem to recall it coming from 120 cut in half, which may be from 70mm), but 2:3 isn't used for motion pictures. The stock may be originally of MP origin, but the frame size certainly isn't. 4:3 is the standard ratio for TV, Motion Pictures use 16x9. Digicams get their ratio from Computer Monitors, which inherited it from TV. -Adam Clayton Jones wrote: > Hello Adam, > > >Standard Print sizes long predate the dominance of 35mm, it's only > >from the 1960's to the 1990's that 35mm was the dominant format. > >Most larger print sizes either match a Sheet Film size or are an > >easy enlargement from a sheet film size. > > My understanding is that 35mm is/was originally motion picture film, > so I suppose that aspect was for theater screens. I have never liked > the 2:3 ratio for photos, it always seemed too long. My favorite > camera for years was a Pentax 6x7 which was closer to the ratio of > photo papers. With 35mm I always had to compose while remembering how > much would have to be cropped. But I also often felt that the 8x10 > ratio was a bit too fat. > > I have really come to love the 3:4 ratio of digicams. It's right in > between the two extremes. I don't know how the industry decided on > 3:4 for digicams but I'm glad they did. The photos look great and > they fit nicely on 8.5x11 paper. Unfortunately, standard frame and > mat sizes are still 8x10/11x14, so framing at 8.5x11 is still a custom > job. > > I like to reduce the various ratios to a single aspect number, derived > by dividing the short side by the long. It makes it easier to > mentally sort them. Here they are in order, for various films and papers: > > Size A# > ---------------------- > 35mm/DSLR 2:3-----.66 > 4x6---------------.66 > 13x19-------------.68 > 5x7---------------.71 > 645 (41x56mm)-----.73 (image size from a Mamiya 645 contact sheet) > digicams 3:4------.75 > 8.5x11------------.77 > 11x14-------------.78 > 6x7 (55x70mm)-----.78 (image size from a Pentax 67 contact sheet) > 8x10/4x5----------.80 > 6x6--------------1.00 > > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources > as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this > same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed > from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND > \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; > (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint>" on > the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
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Re: [Digital BW] Framing again - Aspect Ratios
2005-11-09 by Adam Maas
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