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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Low Dmax on Epson 2200 with K7 inks response

2005-12-01 by Carl Schofield

There is a density reversal from step 38 to 40 in the 51 step.

On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:49 AM, joshhackney wrote:

>
> Hi Greg,
>
> The settings for the following linearization file were:
> 2200, K7, HPR, QTR, Cone's K7 curve for HPR, 2880, Best, 21 patch  
> random target
>
> File: /Applications/QuadToneRIP/QTR 2.3.1/CurveDesign/Eye-One/i1  
> Read Data/
> NK7_HPR_2880_best_21step_20051019-out.txt
> Step	        Dens	        Lab	        A	B	
> 00.00	0.036	96.85	0.70	-0.80-                       b   |  
> a                         L +
> 05.00	0.082	92.90	0.84	-0.14-                          b|   
> a                     L    +
> 10.00	0.144	87.83	1.08	0.48	-                             |b   
> a                 L       +
> 15.00	0.201	83.39	1.14	0.81	-                             |   
> ba               L         +
> 20.00	0.259	79.10	1.22	1.07	-                             |    
> b            L            +
> 25.00	0.321	74.64	1.27	1.37	-                             |     
> b        L               +
> 30.00	0.390	69.99	1.23	1.50	-                             |   a  
> b    L                  +
> 35.00	0.432	67.28	1.23	1.56	-                             |   a b    
> L                   +
> 40.00	0.494	63.42	1.17	1.52	-                             |   a b  
> L                     +
> 45.00	0.554	59.80	1.14	1.56	-                             |    
> aLb                       +
> 50.00	0.620	56.05	0.97	1.43	-                             |  a  
> b                        +
> 55.00	0.691	52.25	0.73	1.32	-                             |La   
> b                        +
> 60.00	0.768	48.35	0.46	1.27	-                           L|a    
> b                        +
> 65.00	0.847	44.54	0.28	1.23	-                        L   |a   
> b                         +
> 70.00	0.939	40.44	0.24	1.05	-                       L     a    
> b                         +
> 75.00	1.018	37.10	0.18	0.82	-                     L       a   
> b                          +
> 80.00	1.107	33.61	0.41	0.53	-                   L         | 
> ab                           +
> 85.00	1.218	29.54	0.51	0.21	-                L            b  
> a                           +
> 90.00	1.333	25.71	0.47	0.24	-              L               
> ba                            +
> 95.00	1.477	21.35	0.49	0.51	-           L                 | 
> ab                           +
> 100.00	1.641	16.93	0.64	1.31	-         L                   | a   
> b                        +
>
> LINEARIZE="96.85 92.90 87.83 83.39 79.10 74.64 69.99 67.28 63.42  
> 59.80 56.05 52.25
> 48.35 44.54 40.44 37.10 33.61 29.54 25.71 21.35 16.93"
>
> settings for the following file were the same, except 51 patch  
> random target.
> I've re-scanned the same target with the i1 days later with the  
> same results, I've reprinted
> the target and re-scanned - same results.
>
> File: /Applications/QuadToneRIP/QTR 2.3.1/CurveDesign/Eye-One/i1  
> Read Data/
> NK7_HPR_2880_best_51step_20051019-out.txt
> Step	        Dens   	Lab	        A	B	
> 00.00	0.034	97.00	0.83	-0.63-                        b  |   
> a                        L +
> 02.00	0.054	95.26	0.83	-0.33-                         b |   
> a                       L  +
> 04.00	0.077	93.38	0.95	-0.09-                          b|   
> a                      L   +
> 06.00	0.100	91.45	0.97	0.10	-                             b   
> a                    L     +
> 08.00	0.134	88.69	0.93	0.28	-                             |b  
> a                   L      +
> 10.00	0.154	87.04	1.06	0.47	-                             |b   
> a                 L       +
> 12.00	0.182	84.90	1.04	0.50	-                             | b  
> a               L         +
> 14.00	0.205	83.08	1.03	0.62	-                             | b  
> a              L          +
> 16.00	0.221	81.91	1.15	0.81	-                             |   
> ba              L          +
> 18.00	0.245	80.08	1.05	0.78	-                             |   
> ba             L           +
> 20.00	0.288	76.97	0.96	0.81	-                             |   
> b            L             +
> 22.00	0.291	76.75	1.19	1.12	-                             |    
> b           L             +
> 24.00	0.326	74.35	1.15	1.18	-                             |    
> b         L               +
> 26.00	0.366	71.62	1.04	1.07	-                             |    
> b       L                 +
> 28.00	0.364	71.74	1.19	1.34	-                             |    
> ab       L                +
> 30.00	0.410	68.70	0.98	1.06	-                             |   
> ab      L                  +
> 32.00	0.443	66.58	0.93	1.09	-                             |  ab     
> L                    +
> 34.00	0.432	67.27	1.06	1.31	-                             |   ab     
> L                   +
> 36.00	0.454	65.86	1.12	1.41	-                             |   ab    
> L                    +
> 38.00	0.500	63.04	1.00	1.24	-                             |   b   
> L                      +
> 40.00	0.499	63.11	1.10	1.51	-                             |   a  
> bL                      +
> 42.00	0.531	61.20	1.07	1.37	-                             |    
> abL                       +
> 44.00	0.565	59.19	1.00	1.34	-                             |    
> ab                        +
> 46.00	0.568	59.00	1.07	1.53	-                             |    
> aLb                       +
> 48.00	0.600	57.21	1.06	1.42	-                             |    
> ab                        +
> 50.00	0.640	55.00	0.91	1.29	-                             |  a  
> b                        +
> 52.00	0.648	54.55	0.97	1.42	-                             | La  
> b                        +
> 54.00	0.684	52.64	0.82	1.31	-                             |L a  
> b                        +
> 56.00	0.729	50.28	0.63	1.13	-                             L a  
> b                         +
> 58.00	0.742	49.62	0.58	1.29	-                            L| a   
> b                        +
> 60.00	0.779	47.79	0.50	1.12	-                           L | a  
> b                         +
> 62.00	0.822	45.72	0.37	1.09	-                          L  |a   
> b                         +
> 64.00	0.841	44.85	0.35	1.21	-                         L   |a   
> b                         +
> 66.00	0.879	43.06	0.30	1.06	-                        L    |a   
> b                         +
> 68.00	0.917	41.38	0.19	0.99	-                       L     a   
> b                          +
> 70.00	0.936	40.56	0.17	0.97	-                       L     a   
> b                          +
> 72.00	0.982	38.58	0.12	0.77	-                      L      a   
> b                          +
> 74.00	1.026	36.79	0.13	0.69	-                     L       a  
> b                           +
> 76.00	1.042	36.15	0.20	0.69	-                    L        a  
> b                           +
> 78.00	1.084	34.47	0.25	0.49	-                   L         | 
> b                            +
> 80.00	1.129	32.78	0.25	0.47	-                  L          | 
> b                            +
> 82.00	1.159	31.65	0.45	0.33	-                 L           | 
> b                            +
> 84.00	1.204	30.05	0.49	0.04	-                 L            
> ba                            +
> 86.00	1.248	28.51	0.49	-0.00-                L             
> ba                            +
> 88.00	1.266	27.89	0.51	-0.12-               L            b|  
> a                           +
> 90.00	1.335	25.62	0.45	0.03	-              L               
> ba                            +
> 92.00	1.397	23.69	0.41	0.26	-             L               | 
> b                            +
> 94.00	1.454	22.00	0.42	0.47	-            L                | 
> b                            +
> 96.00	1.506	20.52	0.53	0.65	-           L                 |  
> b                           +
> 98.00	1.571	18.75	0.44	0.89	-          L                  |a  
> b                          +
> 100.00	1.644	16.84	0.75	1.40	-         L                   |  a  
> b                        +
>
> The Lab values are not in order.
> Cannot be linearized.
>
> If anyone has some input, that would be great.
>
> Best.
>
> Josh
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg"  
> <dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshhackney"
>> <joshhackney@g...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can tell you that I have not been able to profile HPR very well
>> yet.  When I use a 51 patch
>>> target, QTR create ICC tells me that the data is out of order, and
>> in fact it is.  The 21 patch
>>> target does allow me to create a profile, and I have achieved
>> satisfactory prints with this
>>> profile.  This whole thing is an issue that I need to address to
>> Cone, but have not had time
>>> to figure out how to present it in a logical way.  Since I have
>> quite successfully profiled
>>> both Innova Photo Smooth Cotton, and Soft Texture, I suspect there
>> is something funny
>>> with HPR, or with the Cone curve for HPR.  I haven't bothered to
>> figured it out yet, because
>>> I have been so pleased with the Innova papers.
>>
>>
>> Could you post the measurement file for the HPR? You might be getting
>> some kind of reversal that doesn't show up in the 21 step target.
>> You could just copy and paste it into a message, that way you can get
>> input from many different people.
>>

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