Digital BW, The Print

Total agreement!  I'd even go further than that.  IP uses a "one size 
fits all" approach that hard codes ink limits and linearization to 
the inkset, so you get one choice, period.  If that works for your 
paper, great.  If not, too bad.  Since papers can vary quite a bit 
from one to the other, this approach is destined to give mediocre 
results on many papers.

For that reason, the Epson driver usually gives better Dmax, 
saturation and color gamut than IP, because at least you have a 
choice of paper settings, ink density slider, etc., which allow your 
to change the amount of ink hitting the sheet  I have no problem 
regularly blowing IP off the map with the Epson driver and custom 
profiles.  

IP is simple, easy, and has some nice layout capabilities, and 
gives "pleasing" color out of the box, but falls short of its 
claims.  My copy is never used any more.  I tried to make it sing for 
a year, but it's tone deaf.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@y...> wrote:
>
> It is my observation that people "sold" on IP generally are people 
who have
> not tried anything but the Epson driver.  Without ink limiting and
> linearization, it's difficult to even consider it a "rip", but 
that's a
> different issue.
> If someone has seriously trialed various RIPs, using a spectro, as 
well as
> explored the capabilities of the epson driver, and then, selected 
IP, they
> aren't talking it up.  There is evidence of the opposite.
> As others implied, IP is good for someone wishing to use 3rd party 
papers in
> a "push-button" workflow.
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of 
john dean
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:51 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Phatte Black
> 
> Tyler,
> 
> We both know this is fiction, especially you. Two can be nice with a
> rip, yes, unbeatable of course not.
> The real seduction of the Phatte black is allowing one to jump back
> and forth between glossy and rag, which is something a lot of us 
would
> like to do, and I want to do it, but not at the sacrafice of the
> ultimate high values. I don't know, I change my opinions about this
> issue every week. I won't decide right now.  I just found out at 
best
> it will be mid February before I could get a 9800 anyway. I'd rather
> play around with K6 for awhile.
> 
> I just wondered if someone was sold on this Phatte Black concept. So
> far besides the Image Print people, I haven't heard anyone talking 
it
> up really.
> 
> John
> 
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