Digital BW, The Print

I think if you try it you will see both the possibilities and the 
problems, and it well illustrates why I've never believed that this is a 
serious problem. If you really want to rip images off, you will 
generally get much better results from print than from the web.

Of course anyone is welcome to print any of the several thousand images 
I have on various web sites to pin up on their walls etc. The quality 
they will get - even with the best software - will not be any kind of 
competition to the prints that I'm making from the 20-50Mb or so files I 
typically print from. I actually feel gratified that some people find 
the pictures interesting enough that they want to possess them even in 
such a limited way. Even better was coming across one on a T-Shirt!

Regards

Peter Marshall
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guy washburn wrote:

>Sounds like just the product needed to print jpegs
>ripped off web sites. Or am I mixing topics...
>
>Guy
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>--- Elwood Spedden <elwood@...> wrote:
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>>Clayton
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>>Will do. I did my second experiment using a 100Kb
>>jpeg
>>file of my grandson which my daughter recently sent
>>me. I used the same two methods as before and got
>>much
>>the same results. I upsized to 12X16 (yes it is an
>>extreme upsizing but I wanted to stress the
>>software)
>>and printed at 8X10. Although this was a bit extreme
>>it showed me that a 5X7 would be perfectly usable
>>and
>>from this small file that is an accomplishment.
>>
>>What was different was that Photozoom now showed
>>some
>>artifacts that Bicubic smoother did not.
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>>I will keep experimenting to determine the best
>>workflow and results but Photozoom at $125 does not
>>offer anything I could use to justify it. I will now
>>move on to your suggestions re: bicubic and the
>>Flesher workflow to be sure I find a consisent
>>methodology.
>>
>>As always, thanks for the time you take to make us
>>all
>>better imagemakers.
>>
>>Sincerely
>>Woody Spedden
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>>--- Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:
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>>Hello Woody,
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>>>I just did an initial experiement comparing PS
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>>Bicubic
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>>>and Photozoom...I did all the process work in PS
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>>and
>>when
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>>>finished upsized one copy of the image with PS CX
>>>Bicubic Smoother and the other copy with Photozoom.
>>>My results show a slight improvement with Photozoom
>>>over PS CS...
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>>>
>>If you are doing the upsize in a single step I hope
>>you will also try
>>it with CS/bicubic.  In my report I found that for a
>>single step
>>upsize I got better results with Bicubic compared to
>>Bicubic Smoother.
>> The use of Bicubic Smoother was prominent in the
>>double-step Flesher
>>technique.
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>>Regards,
>>Clayton
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>>Info on black and white digital printing at    
>>http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
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>>but not improvement that I would either
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>>>pay $125 to get or the five minutes I had to wait.
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>>I
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>>>think I will repeat the test going from the S40 to
>>>something really large like 30X40 to see if the
>>>differences are more marked.
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>>>My conclusion for now is that Photoshop has
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>>provided
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>>>us with a very high end upsizing tool and that is
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>>what
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>>>I will continue to use until I find a better
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>>reason
>>to
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>>>buy Photozoom
>>>
>>>Woody Spedden
>>>      
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>>>>Here's what I'm doing and what I've tried so far.
>>>>
>>>>The Challenge: upsize some 1.2 mp JPGs that were
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>>shot
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>>>with a Casio
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>>>>Z-50, a pocket sized 5mp digicam.  Upsize to 8mp.
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>>>>
>>>Clayton,
>>>
>>>I'm sure you've already thought of this, and I
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>>>
>>admit
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>>>that, from 
>>>reading this and later posts, I don't _fully_
>>>understand your 
>>>methodology, but:
>>>
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