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Re: [Digital BW] Nanochrome BO printing?

2006-01-23 by Ernst Dinkla

Steve Kale wrote:
> I'm glad this conversation has returned to a more friendly discourse.  I am,
> however, a little surprised by the requests for forward looking statements
> as to Infu6/Futures products given the scathing attacks made in the opposite
> direction on this forum and, particularly, the wide format forum by certain
> members of both.  (These comments are not directed at Ernst.)  Personally,
> if I were advising John I'd tell him not to talk here about any of his
> products in development until they are released commercially.  I'd encourage
> him to try to negotiate where possible the ability to disclose the fact that
> clients of his are using his technology in specific products marketed and
> commercially available to us but this is unlikely to be easy in the very
> competitive and fast-moving (and murky) world of inkjet media.  If I were
> John I'd say nothing more at the moment than that which we already know.
> Infu6 develops inks and ink receptor infusions for inkjet media.  It is in
> the business of licensing this technology to third parties and may or may
> not develop product lines to be marketed under its own label in the future.
> They owe us no forward looking statements, particularly given recent
> behaviour.

Steve,

As I understand it there are people out there now that have 
bought Nanochrome inks and filled printers with that ink. I 
guess they do not have to sign NDAs to buy that ink. Is there 
any advice given to them on the compatibility of the 
Nanochrome inks with papers that are already on the market 
whether infused or not ? Is the ink as used now on for example 
PhotoRag delivering the optimum in fade resistance already or 
can the ink be considered a dye ink alike on HPR. Do the early 
buyers have to wait till the names of existing infused papers 
are revealed (if that ever happens with the mentioned NDAs for 
licenser and licensee) or do they have to wait till John 
starts selling his own substrates before they can use the inks 
in their optimum quality ?

I thought that John could provide those answers in a 
statement. Seems the most general information a Nanochrome 
user likes to get if he didn't get that already. Any DIY fade 
tests will only get relevance if the users know whether the 
media used is in the compatibility list or not. And when 
there's no need for a compatibility list as the inks will 
perform optimally on any substrate then it is good to have 
that written down too.

I mean there's already a product on the market, there will be 
more products on the market soon, but it can't be that you can 
not get the right information now and in the next year because 
the deals are secret, new secret deals have to be made, patent 
applications are still running and research continues.

There are monasteries where the monks are supposed to keep 
their mouth shut. Some produce excellent beer. A simple 
product that has been made for 400  years and is judged on its 
taste and alcohol percentage. The monks believe in God, 
paradise and much more but they don't expect their beer 
customers to join them in that believe. They do not sell their 
religion with the beer. I like that approach and the beer.
I see analogies in the commercial model of Future Wales and 
its offspring, I sure hope we do not have to wait 400 years to 
find out whether the taste is paradise or hell nor do I wish 
to join the monks to get enlightened at an earlier stage. I'm 
too agnostic and outspoken for that :-)


Ernst
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           Ernst Dinkla


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