Digital BW, The Print

Shilesh  -
   
  Go measure a really great platinum print. They're beautiful, and probably won't reach 1.7.
   
  And, anyway, opinion=subjectivity=what is good art.
   
  Tom Baker

Shilesh Jani <shileshjani@bellsouth.net> wrote:
  Tom,

If I was trying not to be impudent with Tyler, I am trying not to be 
argumentative with you. But really, if you I are head-to-head, each 
looking at prints A and B with different Dmax, and each agree to 
the "black deep enough to fall into", then sure you are right.

But can you communicate that to me in cyber-space? I have no idea 
what your or Tyler's idea of "deep" is. Give me a number or send me a 
print. At which point the "print IS the datum, and it IS king"

Excuse my pedantic state of mind. I am an engineer and have no 
patience for opinion, other than it being a spark that sends me into 
the lab.

Shilesh 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
>
> Shilesh   -
>    
>   "Data" is not king.  The image is king.
>    
>   Tom Baker
> 
> Shilesh Jani <shileshjani@b...> wrote:
>   Tyler wrote:
> 
> > The point to me was it's not the numbers... it's the visual 
impact.
> > It's not a big number black, it's a gorgeous velvety black you can
> > fall into.
> 
> Sounds like religion; "get-by on faith, my faith" and so on. You 
can 
> fall a lot deeper into a Dmax 2.0 hole than a Dmax 1.7 hole - oh, 
don't 
> belive the numbers, just trust me because my head has a bigger bump 
> falling in the former.
> 
> I don't mean to be impudent, but what is the point to the original 
post 
> unless you give the readers some point of objective reference, 
i.e., 
> measured density. Bill Atkinson is proabably a great guy, but I 
hazard 
> a guess that his reputation is built not by "Bill-Speak" but with 
real 
> data - his printer profiles. Let's all remember: "data is king."
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> 
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