> Todd, I don't mean to butt in, but why even fool with it? Why not > simply have a workflow from scan to print that leaves the > file in the same gamma throughout? Between editing your scan, and > doing whatever separation methods you use, enough > potential bit lose is occurring. > I haven't been following the thread, so maybe I missed something. > Tyler Hi Tyler, The only problem is that the only way you can do that is to find the gamma of the printer/ink/paper and stay in that space forever. If you change any part of that you have to adjust gamma anyway. So my strategy has been to keep to a standard grayscale working space for all editing and convert to the printer's gamma at print time. Since I am using a softproof process I stick with a standard gamma space for the grayscale editing, convert to RGB (of the same gamma), and then separate the channels with an RGB curve using the quadtone preview to match the tonal range of original grayscale. In other words, since I don't use a final gamma move in the final print process since I build it into the RGB curve. Then my RGB curve is saved for the particular ink and paper combination with the file (turn it on and off at print time). Same as a last minute gamma change in the suggested process but my RGB curve and gamma change are all done together. This is exactly the same set of options you have with color printing -- scan and edit in a CMYK print space and archive in that very precise space, or scan and edit in a broader RGB space and have greater flexibility for output -- with a profile applied at output time taking the file into the printer space. In the grayscale case the output profile has been replaced with a custom gamma version of the RGB space (which replaces the typical custom dot area curve which can't be used in RGB processes). Both are good options depending on how you want to archive the file. Not sure which standard grayscale space is really the best for most printers - or for most monitors, but Blatner and Fraser recommend 2.2 for RGB mode for perceptual uniformity in editing and since I am going through RGB space I use a gamma 2.2 grayscale working space to edit. I could be totally wrong on that choice though. Some radical folks have suggested that a 1.0 gamma would be the best working space - others swear by 1.8 since it is nearer to most printer's natural print space. But since there are many paper types there will always have to be some way to get the file into a precise printer space - even if just to compensate for small dot gain changes and (if you use an RGB grayscale file with no profile) the only quick way to do that is with a custom RGB space at print time. The best way to do that is with a custom RGB profile and a softproof (which holds true with either grayscale printed to CMYK inks or to quad inks) but the original process under discussion didn't use one so this RGB gamma tweak at print time was the suggested alternative. Dan
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Re: Convert to RGB caution
2001-08-14 by Dan Culbertson
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