I don't know the ink cost of the 2400 per 8x10, but the 4800 ink would be about 45 cents (US) for an 8x10". If you make money with your prints, go for the 4800. Or, if you can afford the 4800, go for it. You won't be sorry. My only regret is that I didn't spring for the 7800. :>) Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, G Guhan Gunaratnam <guruguhan@...> wrote: > > I need to buy a new printer. To date, I've been planning on getting the > R2400, but a local camera shop has dropped the price on the 4800 so it is > now on 2x the price of the R2400. It has tempted me to think about getting > it. I know the cost in ink will be significant, but I don't know if I print > enough to justify it. > > I see myself as doing a lot of printing in the first two months, maybe 60 > B&W prints (if on the 2400, 13x19, if on the 4800, I'd do 16x20) and then > average about 8-10 prints a month with peaks here and there. I could get by > with the smaller print size of the R2400 for now, but the price of the 4800 > has made me think I could get that and keep the printer longer (instead of > replacing it in 2/3 years). It still won't be easy to get the 4800 (its > cheaper, but not cheap :) and would probably prevent me from getting a RIP > immediatly. > > So if you were in my position with those printing numbers, with enough money > for a 4800, or R2400 with RIP and a bit extra for more paper and ink, which > would you get? > > As far as experience, though my decision making skills may not be so great, > I think I'm a fairly competent printer and will be able to get the most out > of either printer. > > How much would does it cost to do 10 13x19" B&W's on the R2400? How about > 10 16x20" B&W's on the 4800? > > Thanks for any and all help > > > > > > On 2/20/06 4:36 PM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" > <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > There are 21 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > From: Jim Farrell <jim@...> > > 2. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > From: Adam Maas <mykroft@...> > > 3. Re: re ink limits-Museo Max > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > 4. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > From: "finnkrogvig" <finn@...> > > 5. Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > 6. RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > 7. Re: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > > 8. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > > 9. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > > 10. RE: R220 settings > > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > > 11. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > From: "paulo030947" <avelino@...> > > 12. OT: Type Font installation > > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > > 13. Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> > > 14. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > From: Chris McKillop <cdm@...> > > 15. Downloading curves with a Mac > > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > > 16. Re: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > From: Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@...> > > 17. RE: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > From: "Richard Orban" <ro@...> > > 18. DaVinci snit > > From: "mark_gatehouse" <mark_gatehouse@...> > > 19. Re: OT: Type Font installation > > From: Larry Wangelin <lwangelin@...> > > 20. Re: DaVinci snit > > From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> > > 21. RE: OT: Type Font installation > > From: "gcwagner" <gcwagner@...> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:34 +0000 > > From: Jim Farrell <jim@...> > > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > > > I use a Nikon 5000ed, along with vuescan. The results are excellent for both > > colour (Profiled for various films) and B&W. Vuescan is an excellent piece > > of software, giving a consistent view no matter which scanner you use. > > > > I have tried the Epson 3170 for 6x6cm negs, bit soft, not too bad for small > > prints. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Jim Farrell > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:00:46 -0500 > > From: Adam Maas <mykroft@...> > > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > > > I'd recommend the Minolta SDIV. B&W negs can't take advantage of > > DigitalICE, and the others on the market all use LED sources (The > > Minolta 5400 uses a cold light but is no longer sold, as does the SDIV, > > but the 5400 II and Nikons uses LED's) > > > > -Ada, > > > > finnkrogvig wrote: > >> Perhaps this is a bit off topic of the group, but you are an > >> experienced lot and I cant resist asking for some advice. Neither > >> could I find anything on this topic by searching group posts so I am > >> asking here. > >> > >> I am looking for scanners both for 35mm and 6x6 B&W negatives. Nikon > >> Coolscan 8000/9000 and the similar Minolta Multi Pro is just too > >> expensive for me. I am planning to print up to A3+ from 35mm and > >> 20"x20" or even larger from 6x6. > >> > >> I suspect the Epson 4990 flatbed or Canon Canoscan 9950F will do for > >> 6x6, but not for 35mm. Perhaps the solution is a second hand 35mm > >> film scanner and one of those flatbeds for 6x6? > >> > >> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan dual > >> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? > >> > >> I read something about different light source in filmscanners,- that > >> LED light in the Nikonscanners (and 5400II) makes the filmgrain more > >> pronounced. > >> > >> I would be very happy if the members of this group could share some > >> experiences with me. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:38:21 -0000 > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > Subject: Re: re ink limits-Museo Max > > > > I noticed it, definitely. I did not go any farther than a quick > > linearization curve to see. > > Tyler > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > > <deanwork2003@> wrote: > >> > >> In a related note. Has anyone else (I know Greg knows) observed how > >> quickly Crane's Museo Max bottoms out in regard to max black > >> absorbtion? With K6, compared to all the other papers I've tested, it > >> reaches its limit quickly and then reverses.The original Museo did the > >> same thing. > >> > >> John > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:39:54 -0000 > > From: "finnkrogvig" <finn@...> > > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > > > I might be able to get a second hand 5400(I), but how much does the > > lightsource matter for how the grain shows? Anyone? > > > > There is also the question about speed. Minolta SDIV seems rather > > fast, wheras some review complained about the speed of the 5400 (I). > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Adam Maas > > <mykroft@> wrote: > >> > >> I'd recommend the Minolta SDIV. B&W negs can't take advantage of > >> DigitalICE, and the others on the market all use LED sources (The > >> Minolta 5400 uses a cold light but is no longer sold, as does the > > SDIV, > >> but the 5400 II and Nikons uses LED's) > >> > >> -Ada, > >> > >> finnkrogvig wrote: > >>> Perhaps this is a bit off topic of the group, but you are an > >>> experienced lot and I cant resist asking for some advice. Neither > >>> could I find anything on this topic by searching group posts so I > > am > >>> asking here. > >>> > >>> I am looking for scanners both for 35mm and 6x6 B&W negatives. > > Nikon > >>> Coolscan 8000/9000 and the similar Minolta Multi Pro is just too > >>> expensive for me. I am planning to print up to A3+ from 35mm and > >>> 20"x20" or even larger from 6x6. > >>> > >>> I suspect the Epson 4990 flatbed or Canon Canoscan 9950F will do > > for > >>> 6x6, but not for 35mm. Perhaps the solution is a second hand 35mm > >>> film scanner and one of those flatbeds for 6x6? > >>> > >>> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan > > dual > >>> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? > >>> > >>> I read something about different light source in filmscanners,- > > that > >>> LED light in the Nikonscanners (and 5400II) makes the filmgrain > > more > >>> pronounced. > >>> > >>> I would be very happy if the members of this group could share > > some > >>> experiences with me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:45:58 -0000 > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > Subject: Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale > > <stevekale@> wrote: > >> > >> The situation that I encountered recently involved a need to limit > > the K ink > >> channel earlier than the Epson driver and likely let the other inks > > run a > >> little further. This was on HPR. I guess we are getting very far > > off topic > >> now but I'd really value your input on colour RIP output - perhaps > > via the > >> WF forum. I haven't made a purchase yet but I've been tinkering > > with the > >> idea... > > > > I'm not sure I can help, I'm in the middle of several similar issues, > > all unresolved. Hopefully others would chime in. > > There isn't a perfect forum for this, ask here or there and I'll see > > if I can confuse matters. > > As you no doubt know, impossible to get control of that K channel in > > the Epson driver. But you can try this- > > Bring the black point in your file up to your desired print end point > > with levels or curves. So comething like 000 becomes 999 or whatever. > > Then "undo" it. Now go to edit/fade and bring it back in luminousity > > mode and print. THis way you won't have taken away saturated colors > > (Those with any 0 in them), just compressed on the neutral axis... > > theoretically. > > If it achieves the desired result, it could be edited into an RGB profile > > Tyler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:04:19 -0000 > > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > > Subject: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" > > <dfaprinting@> wrote: > > ... > >> OK, most of you can tune out now. > >> > >> You can get pretty close with certain GCR settings, but you need to > >> use a profile app. that lets you make a custom GCR curve.... > > > > Most do, and I do understand how it works. But even if you manage to > > write a curve that copies Epsons, you still won't achieve any setting > > that gives 100% total ink in one part of the scale (in this case rgb > > 000) and say 250% ink in a lighter part of the scale. > > By the way, I hope I didn't sugeest that copying the Epson driver > > behavior is desirable. > > And since total ink amount is our only control of CMY content at max > > K, with some inks and papers we can lower our dmax by raising total > > ink just to achive gamut. > > David Tobie could us tell a lot more about the driver's behavior than > > I could. > > > >> As far as ink limits go... There are some tricks that I use with my > >> inks, but I don't know if they apply to the Epson inks, so I won't > >> spill all that out for fear of causing confusion. Summary is that not > >> all inks hit their maximum density in the same place as their maximum > >> chroma. > > > > Right, Epson inks hit max chroma before max density and begin to reverse. > > > >> You need to find a good balance between those two values. > >> With the rather different inks that I use, you also do not want to > >> run the light cyan all the way down to the maximum full cyan as it > >> takes away from the blue coverage. > > > > With SP, light inks are taken out porportionally to the dark component > > coming in. Not user changeable. So I would never run into that > > particular problem. > > A potential problem here is that if you let all light inks run to too > > high of an individual percentage (for color printing) you could > > unwittingly find yourself with very high total inks in mid range > > colors you would not normally suspect. So yes, many issues. > > > >> ... I had to learn a very large amount to get > >> the inks I'm using to work properly, > > > > I can certainly apreciate that. > > > >> ...Understanding how the > >> RIP is doing it's job is very important, and often the only way to > >> know this is to make many different configurations to see which one > >> works best. It can be a slow process where gains can be very small. > > > > I'll admit to burnout right now. I'm going to number (1/1) and sign my > > linearization and profile charts and foist them off on an unsuspecting > > public for thousands. No one's are quite like mine, and each a one of > > a kind. > > Tyler > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:26:43 +0000 > > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > > Subject: Re: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > > > LOL! Christie's here we come... > > > > > >> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...> > > > >> > >> I'll admit to burnout right now. I'm going to number (1/1) and sign my > >> linearization and profile charts and foist them off on an unsuspecting > >> public for thousands. No one's are quite like mine, and each a one of > >> a kind. > >> Tyler > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 > > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "paulo030947" > > <avelino@> wrote: > >> > >> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would like > > to produce a picture > >> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the > > midtones and is the original > >> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? > >> Paulo > >> > > Hello Paolo, > > Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP > > running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in the > > RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. > > You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I > > have not yet tried this version. > > Vartkes > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:33:57 -0000 > > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "paulo030947" > > <avelino@> wrote: > >> > >> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would like > > to produce a picture > >> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the > > midtones and is the original > >> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? > >> Paulo > >> > > Hello Paolo, > > Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP > > running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in the > > RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. > > You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I > > have not yet tried this version. > > Vartkes > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:48:08 -0800 > > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > > Subject: RE: R220 settings > > > >> > >> Would someone know which paper settings give the most ink using photo RPM? > > > > I find the "Ultra Premium Glossy Photo Paper" gives the best dmax on some > > matte papers. I suspect it sets the highest ink limit of those that can > > take advantage of RPM. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:49:30 -0000 > > From: "paulo030947" <avelino@...> > > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > > > Thanks Vartkes for yr comments. In fact, the ABW has in the Color > > Management mode the possibility of toning the photo. Try it. You will > > see that there is a color circle where you can choose the tonality of > > your print. There are also other commands that allow you to increase > > or diminish the tonality in the shadows and highlights. After > > choosing the tonality in the circle - h10 and v10 as suggested by a > > member of the forum, I tried to reduce the tonality in the shadows > > and highlights to the minimum, i.e. -26. It seemed to me that it > > worked for the shadows but not for the highlights. I would like to > > know if this is all one can do, in order to tone only the midtones, > > leaving a deep black in the shadows and pure white in th highlights. > > Paulo > > > > > > > > --- In > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "vartkes_peltekoglu" > > <vartkes@> wrote: > >> > >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "paulo030947" > >> <avelino@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would > > like > >> to produce a picture > >>> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the > >> midtones and is the original > >>> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? > >>> Paulo > >>> > >> Hello Paolo, > >> Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP > >> running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in > > the > >> RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. > >> You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I > >> have not yet tried this version. > >> Vartkes > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:29:16 -0000 > > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > > Subject: OT: Type Font installation > > > > Can someone please tell me where install fonts so Photoshop can use > > them. > > > > CS2 help section said to place then in : > > > > Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts > > > > When I placed them there, the fonts didn't appear in CS2 when I tried > > to use them. > > > > I'm on PC using XP/Pro, by the way. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:48:19 -0000 > > From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> > > Subject: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > > > I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's this last Friday. > > The cashier said something about "that's a lot of ink, let me get you > > a quote." He then took the cartridges to an supervisor behind the > > register counter and they appeared to look up a price on their system, > > that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get any discount so I > > don't know what was really happening. Does anyone know what was going > > on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was I that magic one > > cartridge short of a fabulous discount? Was this a check to see if the > > cashier could get a commission? > > > > Chris Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:53:00 -0800 > > From: Chris McKillop <cdm@...> > > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > > >> > >> > >> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan dual > >> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? > >> > > > > Since I was also mostly interesting in doing 35mm B&W I went for the > > Dual IV. You can get one very very cheap now (less then $200 for a > > factory re-certified unit from B&H) and the scanning is very good > > (16bit/channel, high DMAX, 16x over sampling). The more expensive > > scanners provide slightly more DPI in the scans and lots of expensive > > features you can't even use with B&W (most of the Digital ICE options). > > > > Count me as a happy Dual IV user. Just got a refurbed R200 ($25 on > > eBay) and my UT2 MIS ink set going on the weekend. Having a ton of > > fun. Gotta upgrade to USB 2.0 in my Mac though, the scan transfer > > times are painful with USB 1.1. > > > > chris > > > > ---- > > Chris McKillop <cdm@...> > > "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good" > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 15 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:54:02 -0800 > > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > > Subject: Downloading curves with a Mac > > > > Sometimes Mac users have trouble downloading curves from the server I use > > (which tends to do some weird things). On Windows I use a right click and > > "Save As" procedure. There is some equivalent to the Windows right click > > that, I believe, can be used by Mac owners. Is this the correct procedure? > > > > > > > > Mac owners should do this: Control-Click on the link. You should then see a > > menu with options. Choose the one that is closest to Download This to Disk. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:10:17 -0800 > > From: Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@...> > > Subject: Re: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > > > jcjacobs wrote: > > > >> I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's this last Friday. > >> The cashier said something about "that's a lot of ink, let me get you > >> a quote." He then took the cartridges to an supervisor behind the > >> register counter and they appeared to look up a price on their system, > >> that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get any discount so I > >> don't know what was really happening. Does anyone know what was going > >> on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was I that magic one > >> cartridge short of a fabulous discount? Was this a check to see if the > >> cashier could get a commission? > >> > >> Chris Jacobs > >> > >> > >> > > Employees at some retail stores have quite a bit of discretion when it > > comes to pricing. The mark up on accessories can often be huge. For > > example, I recently bought a USB cable that sold in the store for $37 > > for $2.75 on employee discount, which is 5% above cost. The markup on > > things like TVs or digital cameras, though, can be very, very small. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:21:51 -0500 > > From: "Richard Orban" <ro@...> > > Subject: RE: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > > > What did you pay? The best price I can get is $84 each, any quantity, plus I > > pay shipping. > > > >> ----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- > >> From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> > >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:48:19 > >> > >> I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's > >> this last Friday. > >> The cashier said something about "that's a lot of > >> ink, let me get you > >> a quote." He then took the cartridges to an > >> supervisor behind the > >> register counter and they appeared to look up a > >> price on their system, > >> that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get > >> any discount so I > >> don't know what was really happening. Does anyone > >> know what was going > >> on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was > >> I that magic one > >> cartridge short of a fabulous discount? 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However the rather inconsiderate actions taken > > by some members of the public which as abused the trust and goodwill > > of Paperandinks.com has caused us to reconsider this approach. By > > publishing Paperandinks.coms' email address on a group discussion > > forum on digital imaging, some members of the public have made things > > difficult for staff at Paperandinks.com. Email takes time to reply > > and respond, and it is something members of Paperandinks.com or > > Chaudigital do not have, due to the sheer scale of emails sent and > > technicality of each enquiry covered. The email address of > > Paperandinks.com is used purely for the servicing the progress of > > orders only and providing small levels of product information, and is > > meant to be a clear line of communication with the customer on this > > basis. Paperandinks.com would like to make it clear we do not wish > > any of our email addresses published for purposes other than for > > order servicing, and would like it to be maintained that way." > > > > typical plum up the a#s@ Brits! > > > > Maybe they should stay off the internet if they don't want to use > > email... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 19 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:02:26 -0600 > > From: Larry Wangelin <lwangelin@...> > > Subject: Re: OT: Type Font installation > > > > Scott, did you restart Photoshop after you installed the fonts? > > > > Larry > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:29 PM, scott_now_coming wrote: > > > >> When I placed them there, the fonts didn't appear in CS2 when I tried > >> to use them. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 20 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:16:49 -0000 > > From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> > > Subject: Re: DaVinci snit > > > > I'll tell you one thing. Before they start naming a paper after > > Leonardo they had better take care of their bronzing problems. > > Leonardo hated bronzing (except with the big horse project in Milano > > that never got done). > > > > Raphael Dean > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_gatehouse" > > <mark_gatehouse@> wrote: > >> > >> Looks like the folks at DaVinci got their knickers in a twist over > >> the B&W list > >> > >> http://www.paperandinks.com/acatalog/fibreglossfaq.htm > >> > >> 1) Does Paperandinks.com offer samples of the Da Vinci Fibre Gloss to > >> customers, including those based abroad? > >> > >> "Paperandinks.com does have sample sheets available for purchase, but > >> does not offer sample sheets to customers for free. We have done so > >> in the past on the basis of goodwill for the customer to see the > >> quality of the paper. However the rather inconsiderate actions taken > >> by some members of the public which as abused the trust and goodwill > >> of Paperandinks.com has caused us to reconsider this approach. By > >> publishing Paperandinks.coms' email address on a group discussion > >> forum on digital imaging, some members of the public have made things > >> difficult for staff at Paperandinks.com. Email takes time to reply > >> and respond, and it is something members of Paperandinks.com or > >> Chaudigital do not have, due to the sheer scale of emails sent and > >> technicality of each enquiry covered. The email address of > >> Paperandinks.com is used purely for the servicing the progress of > >> orders only and providing small levels of product information, and is > >> meant to be a clear line of communication with the customer on this > >> basis. Paperandinks.com would like to make it clear we do not wish > >> any of our email addresses published for purposes other than for > >> order servicing, and would like it to be maintained that way." > >> > >> typical plum up the a#s@ Brits! > >> > >> Maybe they should stay off the internet if they don't want to use > >> email... > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > > > Message: 21 > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:20:28 -0800 > > From: "gcwagner" <gcwagner@...> > > Subject: RE: OT: Type Font installation > > > > > > Hello, > > After you placed the fonts with the other Adobe fonts as you indicated > > below. 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Re: Is Epson 4800 overkill for me?
2006-02-21 by scott_now_coming