Digital BW, The Print

Peter, You make a great point. Hardware and software make a hugh difference,
but you still need a skilled operator to get the best out of it. I have seen
cases where a little Epson 3200 made better scans than a high end drum
scanner. 

Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Peter Marshall
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:03 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanning 35mm vs digital camera
> 
> Well John, I am certainly right too, because of course drum
> scanners
> cover a range, and I didn't and never would suggest it could
> beat all of
> them. But I agree with you that it is likely to be good enough
> to beat
> some, and that also the differences between what it can do and
> the best
> will not matter to all but the most demanding users and
> applications.
> 
> The test results I've seen so far are extremely good. I don't
> actually
> know what Epson claim, not having bothered to read their press
> releases
> due to my own scepticism, but it certainly seems a useful
> advance on
> their previous models.  I'm not surprised that technology
> improves.
> 
> Of course it isn't just a matter of hardware, there is also
> software and
> the operator to take into account. I've seen drum scans that
> were pretty
> hopeless. The new Epsons will at least be rather easier to set
> up and to
> keep working well as well as easier and faster to use than most
> drum or
> high end flatbeds.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> Peter Marshall
> petermarshall@...
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> 
> john dean wrote:
> > Mark is right. "More or less"? More or less Imacon, possibly,
> more or
> > less PMT, not.What in the world is that about. I pray that
> you will
> > make us eat our words but that isn't likely.
> >
> > Epson sent out a workshop teacher instructor to APA,(I won't
> mention
> > his name because I am more polite than that) about four years
> ago.
> > People paid over $100.00 to do that seminar. One of the first
> things
> > he said was - if you put together a magnetic film holder
> avalable from
> > parts at Home Depot on this regular Epson flatbed it will
> give you
> > "just as good of quality as any drum scanner". A bunch of us
> looked at
> > each other and busted out laughing, then the whole auditorium
> groaned,
> > we had just paid $100.00 and we knew it was downhill from
> there.
> >
> > Forgive us if we are skeptical of claims like that. This is
> about the
> > 4th version of it that I personally have head about. I just
> saw one of
> > those scans today from a scanner that was sold to my ad photo
> client
> > with similar hyperbole. You have really good photo studios
> that go out
> > and buy these things and think they can do high end work with
> them.
> > Then they end up really pissed and having to farm it out
> everytime.
> > Now they are simply going to the 5D.
> >
> > Like I said. I pray this time they are telling the truth, but
> we're
> > not going to throw away our PMT scanners anytime soon and
> their track
> > record is not good.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> Marshall
> > <petermarshall@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> I've not seen Epson's hype. I have looked at the only
> detailed hands-on
> >> review of the V700 that I'm aware of, by Vincent Oliver,
> which he
> >> finished a day or so ago. There are a few minor issues, one
> of which
> >> should be resolved by the V750 which will cut out some minor
> light
> >> scatter. The results he shows are pretty good, and his
> conclusion isn't
> >> a great deal different from mine.
> >>
> >> (Note that I did say "more or less the same quality", not
> that they
> >> would beat the best, though it will not surprise me if they
> equal or
> >> beat some that cost a considerable amount more - it
> shouldn't surprise
> >> anyone given how technology improves. The camera I'm using
> at the
> >>
> > moment
> >
> >> trounces those that cost 20 times a much a few years back
> after all.)
> >>
> >> But doubtless your remarks are based on extensive field
> testing :-)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Peter Marshall
> >> petermarshall@...
> >>
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> >> and elsewhere......
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Savoia wrote:
> >>
> >>> Peter,
> >>> A $799 scanner that will beat or match scanners costing
> many
> >>> thousands of dollars? Not buying Epson's hype, are you?
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Peter Marshall wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> giving more or less the same
> >>>> quality as more expensive drum or virtual drum scanners,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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