Digital BW, The Print

Erik, I think Gary (like a lot of us are) is tired of the whole 
digital vs. film debate.  Not your recommendation on prefered 
method.  Obviously when someone asked for a recommendation, one of 
the most valuable things about this forum, is that those 
recommendations can be given honestly.  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen " 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the intrusion Gary. I have only been a member of the 
Digi B&W
> group for a little while. But I am curious as to why an inquiry 
into which
> method someone chooses to express the digital B&W expression would 
bring
> such scorn? (limited as it was ; ) ) 
> 
> Is not this group here to discuss the making of digital B&W 
images? Must not
> they come from some type of capture device? Man, I just moved an 
enlarger
> table with two 4x5 enlargers, a 38x50 vacume frame and table, a 
4'x 8'
> finishing table and all just so that I could spray my ink jet 
prints without
> over spray going every where. Certainly a little rethinking comes 
into
> everyones life that deals with digital. Is it so much to ask to 
share a
> little insight?   
> 
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street
> Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gary
> > Brown
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:26 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanning 35mm vs digital camera
> > 
> > Enough already, must we go through this topic every other month!
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "joshscapes" <joshrandall@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanning 35mm vs digital camera
> > 
> > 
> > I second Eric's recommendation.  Filim and scanner is a lovely
> > combination that produces beautiful results.  And, if ever a 
better
> > scanner comes on the market, you still have your film to rescan.
> > When better cameras come on the market with digital, their old
> > digital files are still what they are.  NO chance for improvement
> > with technology.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric 
Neilsen
> > Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@> wrote:
> > >
> > > One consideration is digital crashes, cards burn up, data gets
> > corrupted. I
> > > would stay with the film and do the scanner route. I just 
decided
> > to get a
> > > Nikon 9000 and keep shooting 35mm, and medium format. I can 
even
> > make small
> > > positives from my 4x5's that can be scanned by the medium 
format.
> > I have
> > > only had one camera poop out on me in the field preventing me 
from
> > shooting
> > > with it. I have seen some rather noisy original digital images.
> > Once you
> > > have the film processed it will be around for a long time.
> > >
> > > And if you want to make a silver print, you can. No film 
recorder,
> > no white
> > > film output with your inkjet. Just the sound of water running 
and
> > a little
> > > music playing ; )
> > >
> > > And you can bring your old work with you into the new media.
> > >
> > > Film and scanner is my recommendation.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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