Digital BW, The Print

John,

 A lot of that "rightness" is determined by HOW it is scanned (
scanner aperture in conjunction with scanner dpi, fluid, etc). That
has a huge impact on grain. I have a Nikon scanner too and I've always
hated the way it renders 35mm grain, regardless of film type. It just
looks crude to me. If you are looking for the smoothest resuls, the cn
type films give it to you but with the loss of a bit of shadow
contrast in my experience. Some people love that smoother look, others
don't at all. It's subjectiveand image dependent. 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody"
<moodymz3@...> wrote:
>
> John,
> Thanks for the detailed report.  The reason I was interested in 35mm, is
> because the obvious film grain would be part of the "creative" work,
that
> some say only looks "right" in a darkroom print.  With the
smoothness of K6,
> it might get closer to that look?
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
john dean
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:50 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanning 35mm vs digital camera (off topic)
> 
> 
> Yes John,I have. I am printing a limited edition portfolio from Howtek
> drum scans of 35mm Leica tri x negatives, 16x20 on Hahnemuhle Museum
> Etching right now. After this one is finished my client wants another
> different portfolio of 20 editons also. I have previously output
> these files with a 9600 with QTR and Ultrachome. The K6 are to my
> client and me much nicer in everyway, color tone , black density, and
> especially smoothness of midtone and highlight values. I have liked a
> lot of inkjet monochrome work that I've done in the past but this is
> the first combination that I can say I really love. I believe there
> are about 4 or 5 really good ways to do mono inkjet these days but
> this is the best one I have worked with. I certainly hope it is
> economicly successful because I'm already totally dependent on it.
> However, drums scans of 4x5 blow away the 35mm in smoothnesss and
> range which is not surprising, and this is what I am starting to do
> with my own work.
> 
> I've also done several drum scans of Scala 35mm transparency film on
> K6. Now that Scala stuff has really limited shadow info on the film
> but they were well exposed and they are good too. I will  say  on
> record that after trying about 5 or 6 other inksets over the years I'm
> totally sold on K6 or K7. To me its perfect, if you want neutral. I
> believe Jon is working on a glossy compatable version. Now if that is
> successful, with the better fiber gloss papers out there, I will
> surely seriously  begin working with that combination as well and we
> would see a whole new resurgence in black and white photography. And
> of course Epson K3 for that is pretty amazing too for the glossy end
> of things.
> 
> John
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