Scans can capture "nothing"; so, of course, can a high-end DSLR or MF. Utlimately, the proof is in the proof, and perhaps it would be helpful to Alex- the original poster, remember him? ;^) to provide examples of print sizes that do and don't work. Alex, you should understand, of course, that this would be a range of acceptable results from different sources. From drum-scanned 6x7 film, I generally find that I can print at least to 20x24; sometimes as large as 30x36, depending on the grain relationships in the image. From my 5 MP Olympus E-20, I have printed 16x20- above that it gets fuzzy. With a 14 MP camera, I have yet to print larger than 16x24, but I think it's safe to say that some images will go to 20x30 or larger. This is me- other people would print these differently, but probably the relationship would remain the same. Bill Morse On 4/30/06, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote: > ... > > Scans often capture a whole lot of nothing. I recall scanning a series > of > > 35mm slides shot on safari in Africa for a friend. I ran them en-mass on > my large > > format flatbed at its max DPI to make comps of the files, so we could > decide > > which ones to rescan with a dedicated film scanner. It proved > unnecessary, as > > the flatbed was already scanning at a higher rez than any of the images > > needed, and film scans would have just been bigger files without any > more meaningful > > image data. That is to say; the lion's mane would not have been sharper, > > clearer, less posterized, or in any visual way more detailed or > meaningful with a > > much higher rez scan... there would just have been a much larger file to > deal > > with. > > A lot of people don't understand this. I'm continously asked what dpi file > is needed from a > given film size for a given print size. Their assumption is that since > it's commonly thought > 360 dpi at print size is desirable, then the scan must reflect that. > For a large print from 35mm, that requires a scan at higher dpi than many > scanners can > deliver. But more importantly, there is no image detail resolved to that > degree or anything > close to it, given lens and film capability. In fact, you are more likely > to simply over- > resolve grain, to a distressing visual degree much greater than would have > apeared at a > same size print made through an enlarger. > There are so many case by case factors that apply, it's very difficult to > make > generalizations abou these discussions. > Tyler > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Regards, Bill Morse Wm. Morse Editions (617) 429-3298 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] analog/digital Megapixels
2006-05-01 by Bill Morse
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