Digital BW, The Print

After Kodak discontinued VPS-160, I began using Fuji NPS 160. The
results have been superb. (I'm speaking about color here thought, not
B&W conversion)
 Best
Howard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Un Globe
Trotteur" <unglobetrotteur@...> wrote:
>
> I found out that the new Fuji Pro film gives an awesome scan using
their 
> Fuji frontier. I tried to scan these films with Nikon 5000, sony
UY-S90 and 
> a noriutsu machine and I kept getting grain. when scanned with the Fuji 
> frontier, no grain. They may have done something to the emulsion
that only 
> works with their scanner.
> I convert the film to B&W using photoshop. I then create another
negative 
> using my R220.
> I contact print it under my beseller enlarger and Voila. Beautiful B&W 
> print.
> Pierre-Olivier
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Scanning 35mm vs digital camera
> 
> 
> Greg wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
> > <E.Dinkla@> wrote:
> >> Tyler Boley wrote:
> >>
> >>> We are now seeing a lot of over-enlarged imagery. The above
> > depends on that degree
> >>> IMHO. There comes a point at which the eye needs SOMETHING in
> > focus. Sharp grain is far
> >>> more pleasing to me at any size than mush with nothing sharp
> > anywhere.
> >> That describes my love/hate relationship with B&W grain quite
> >> well. But with color grain/clouds it is far less  appealing to
> >> me and I guess to more people. So you may have the strange
> >> conclusion that an analogue B&W image allows a larger print
> >> than a color print (analogue and digital prints) while there
> >> isn't more data available but just because there is that
> >> convention in taste about B&W grain. Part of the appreciation
> >> of BO printing in this list is related to that. All this
> >> probably has much to do with book printing, text, all that
> >> pure B&W graphic material we know since written language
> >> became black ink on white paper. We are less pleased with hard
> >> CMY/RGB dots on screens and papers.
> >>
> >
> >
> > How does this effect differ (if at all) between the "traditional" B/W
> > films compared to the C-41 process B/W films? I seem to recall a
> > couple people saying the C-41 based films work very nicely for
> > scanning, but I haven't had the chance to directly compare the two
> > types of film. Something I guess I should do one of these days. And
> > then there is the reversal B/W process to consider, is the grain the
> > same after it is reversed to provide a positive?
> 
> Chromogenic B&W scans better than analogue B&W if grain isn't
> what you like and the scanner can't cope with the high Dmax of
> a specific analogue B&W films. But it also doesn't have the
> B&W grain that can be attractive as Tyler describes.
> 
> Reversal B&W will be Agfa Scala in practice, not really suited
> to scanning either with the density range directed to
> projection. Availability of film and processing in view of
> AgfaPhoto being bankrupt should be considered too.
> 
> Like I wrote in another message on another list today:
> analogue film manufacturers should think of some R&D on color
> and B&W film that makes them more suitable for scanning and
> sell that film for that specific work flow sacrificing the
> normal analogue print qualities and/or projection quality of
> the films. That could keep film in competition with pure
> digital photography for a longer time. One would like to have
> the compressed dynamic range + lower Dmax of color negative
> film + its latitude in exposure and at the same time the image
> reversed on film already as grain and color noise is nicer in
> slide film scans. The orange mask of color negative film
> removed as well of course. A similar conventional B&W film
> should be possible too and of course chromogenic B&W film
> also. You can't do anything else with that kind of films though.
> 
> http://www.dr5.com/filmprintout.html says something about
> scanning positive B&W film including Scala.
> 
> Ernst
> 
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>            Ernst Dinkla
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