Digital BW, The Print

First, an apology to those offended by my curtness
regarding "plastic" in cameras, and prices of cameras.


Second, one difference between the Rebel and 20D is
the MP's.  It's 6.3MP's for the Rebel, and the 20D is
8.2MP's.  There is also the "bells and whistles"
thing.  So, you have to decide what "bells and
whistles" you really need the first time out so that
you purchase looking at your current needs and some
possible future needs.

For instance I needed fps (frames per second)speed,
but only the ability to print up to 11 x 14. Usually,
I print at 8.5 x 11.0.  My feeling is that I get a
more than acceptable letter size print from the Rebel.

Then you have the question of file size. The file size
produced at 8.2 MP's (20D)gives you more room for
cropping if need be.  Obviously at 12MP's (5D), etc.
you will have even more room. 

I do a lot of music event photography (for myself and
a group of friends)and I shoot anywhere from 50 to 150
shots a session depending.  At 8.0 MP's that's a lot
of file size, easily filling up my 1.0 GB cards.  On
top of that, if I really need the picture for the book
I'm working on, I shoot in RAW creating an even larger
file.  Top that off with the power (RAM access, and
computer speed, etc.) needed on your computer and that
cost may also enter the picture.

Because I use the same lens on both cameras, I can't
tell the difference in sharpness, DOF, etc.  

So in the end it depends on your current needs, then
your anticipated future needs. 
 
I must admit, I lucked up in getting my 20D. Back in
Jan. a friend who has a 20D called to say that Dell
had an offer of a 20D w/o lens for something like
$1200 with a $50 rebate.  I had about that amount in
my secret stash for photographic playthings (I throw
about $100 a payday in the stash) so I bought the
camera even though I was very happy with the Rebel. J
& R in New York is now offering the 20D w/ lens for
that price.

--- joshscapes <joshrandall@...> wrote:

> Joseph, 
> 
> You are right.  Price is important to me. I don't
> have thousands to 
> spend on a camera that I am getting to just try
> digital out.  That 
> being said I think the reason these suggestions
> occur often is 
> because on this group we have a wide variety of
> people.  Some can 
> afford the most expensive and some barely the least.
> People often 
> assume others are like them and so they recommend
> accordingly.  I 
> appreciate all recommendations.  I also appreciate
> your sensetivity 
> to the financial restraints.  I have seen all over
> the web research 
> that supports the idea that an image from a rebel xt
> is just as good 
> as a 20d.  Do you agree with that?  If that is the
> case I would 
> rather shell out 800 now, and upgrade when a
> significant difference 
> does occur.  
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Joseph Chandler 
> <over40_98@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know where to begin: while many (?) people
> > seem to frown on the Digital Rebel XT, plastic and
> all
> > that, they seem to want to take this person from a
> > $800 - $900 purchase to a $2,500 - $3,000
> > purchase(without the lens).  Obviously for these
> > people who say get a 5D, money is no object!  
> > 
> > That's nice, however, why not a 1D, or better yet
> a 
> > 1 Ds?  Let's really spend this persons money. 
> Lets
> > not stop there, lets go medium format (great for
> > landscapes) and grab the Hassleblad digital.. I
> think
> > the last "quote" to me was in the arena of
> $27,000!
> > Probably not much plastic there!   
> > 
> > Oh yeah, I own the original (not even XT) plastic
> > Digital Rebel, with a 12MM - 24MM Tokina, a 24MM -
> > 70MM 2.8L Canon, 28MM - 135MM IS Canon, 200MM 2.8L
> > Canon, and a whole slew of other lenses.  I love
> it!
> > You see, in the end no one will ever convince me
> that
> > "the lens is not the thing".  Oh, I also own a
> 20D,
> > but since that's been superseded by the 30D I
> guess it
> > really doesn't matter(besides both have a factor
> of
> > 1.6x).  
> > 
> > My BMW has some plastic, as does my wife's Benz
> but
> > they run better than most Japanese or American
> cars
> > and we all know these boys contain alot of
> plastic! 
> > 
> > Some people miss the point, I'm getting the
> feeling
> > that COST/PRICE is a factor here! Don't be
> > supercilious with your information, in all
> fairness
> > you should have entered some prices with your
> > information.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Andre <am1000@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "joshscapes"
> > > <joshrandall@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > and am not sure which to get.  I am inclined
> > > toward the canon rebel
> > > > xt due to the fact that I have several EF
> lenses
> > > already.  Is this a
> > > > good camera for digital b&w?  Color?  
> > > 
> > > I'm sure several people on this list already use
> the
> > > Rebel XT with
> > > Canon prime lens. Just remember that because of
> the
> > > reduced sensor
> > > size, it will multiply the focal lens by a
> factor of
> > > 1.6x. When you
> > > put a 28mm lens on a Rebel Xt body, it becomes a
> > > 44.8mm lens.
> > > 
> > > I'm sure several people on this list already use
> a
> > > Rebel XT with EF
> > > prime lens.
> > > 
> > > Canon is reported to have announced minor
> > > modifications to the Rebel
> > > XT for Photokina 2006. Just remember that the
> Rebel
> > > Xt body is made of
> > > plastic and that the price reflects its built
> > > quality.
> > > 
> > > > experiment with digital b&w.  I currently use
> a
> > > pentax 67 with slow 
> > > > b&w film for my serious landscape work and
> then I
> > > scan the negs. 
> > > 
> > > A 12mp dslr like the Canon 5D has the potential
> of
> > > making your Pentax
> > > 67 redundant.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Andr\ufffd
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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