In a message dated 11/27/06 11:07:32 AM, picnic@... writes: > I'm going to ask a dumbie question here. > Not dumb, just really broad... > Having been a mono printer for > years, but without using a toned inkset, I'd like to know what the > alternatives are today with the newest printers. I suppose I should add > 'reasonably priced' but one person's reasonable is another person's 'way out > of range', so I guess its fairest to just ask for alternatives and leave the > 'reasonable' up to each individual. I'm referencing David's post but > changing the subject (knowing, as several of you say here, that he does have > a dog in this fight LOL). > > I have several dogs, and not all on the same team, actually. And this looks more like Doggie Daycare than a dogfight, most of the time. <G> It can probably be split and organized a number of ways. But you said newest printers, so I'll try to stick to the solutions for the latest printers with at least two levels of gray: OEM Only: This means using the manufacturer's inks (or something darned close), and whatever B&W printing method they provide. Not bad, but there a lack of controls, no cross-tints, no preview, and some other advanced complaints. This is certainly a good place to start if you buy an Epson 2400/3800/4800/7800/9800, any Canon iPF printer, or either width of HP Z3100. This list is a bit short on smaller models, but the only other "dog" in that category is the new HP B9180, and it IS NOT a two gray printer, so its not quite in the category I describe above, and its B&W mode is fixed, single tone, neutrality defined by the paper involved. So no tintability, without using color mode, which creates its light grays from Light Cyan, Light Magenta, and Yellow, as earlier Epsons did. OEM inks, RIP control: This used to offer more improvement than it does today, as OEM drivers learn most of the tricks that were advantages for the RIPs previously. I don't expect to see this gaining a lot of new users, mostly those who already own a RIP, and prefer the convenience of its layout capabilities. I have NO IDEA which RIPs currently support which new printers and which inksets, and don't even want to try to keep such a list in my head. Research is necessary, and a few users you trust who are already using a specific combo successfully! Tinted Inks, RIP control: again, not as much advantage as it used to offer over OEM inks, since the OEM inks now use grays for the core of their B&W output. Can be viewed as creamier, more detailed, or otherwise superior to OEM inks, expecially at very close range, due to more grays to work with. How the RIP and inks interact determine what is needed to control tints. Can be as simple as choosing an item from a popdown list, or as complex as building a small boat... And now to the variations that could be viewed as "my dogs" on this list: OEM Inks, ICC control: Same limitations as any OEM inks choice, in terms of only two grays, and slightly "thinner" resulting prints, for those situations where this might be a factor. Same advantages of both color and all types of B& W from one printer. Added advantages of standard ICC workflow like color images, preview of images like color via ICC, easy tinting, and visual feedback on it. Requires an ICC tool, ideally one that has B&W features. Not too many of those out there at the moment... Tinted Inks, ICC Control: Avoids that issue of "thinness" in gray printing, but also limits printer to only gray and tinted gray prints. Offers many of the ICC advantages of the category above. Gamut limited to inkset's range. Even smaller choice of inksets and ICC tools to do this; in fact at the moment, I can't guarantee anything except PrintFIX PRO 2.0, and MIS UT3D; and there are limited printers supported by this inkset, at this time. There are a couple of simple OEM driver tinted sets that just used canned settings or profiles, but they are really beginners sets, and as an advanced user, they probably wouldn't interest you, and aren't for the latest printers. (anything with EZ in the name... <G>) I can't think of any other categories, but I may have missed one... So at the moment, I would recommend starting out with an Epson 2400 or 3800 as the low end threshold, trying its AWB mode, and then moving forward as you see fit into one or another of the other options. Keep in mind that this is based on you specifying the latest printers. C. David Tobie Product Technology Manager ColorVision Business Unit Datacolor Inc. CDTobie@... www.colorvision.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] alternatives to fixed tone inkset printing
2006-11-27 by CDTobie@aol.com
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