Hi Sarah, >I only consider the 4000 because of the BO capabilities. I currently >use a 2200 and would like to print a bit larger. Otherwise I'd >definitely go for the 4800 or 3800. Understood. >Clayton, very interesting, your comments about "B3" still showing >some paper white. BO as you know gets its tonal gradation by changing the amount of space between the dots. Look with a loupe at a BO ramp and you can see the amount of visible bare paper getting less and less as you move down the ramp to the darker zones. The last bits of paper white that's enough to make a difference in overall luminance disappear at about 70% or so. What this means is that even the midtones have considerable bare paper showing, and it's what gives BO prints their beautiful glow. What I'm seeing on the B3 ramp is that the significant amount of visible paper white shuts down earlier, at around 45% or so (because it's using lighter inks for the light tones it can close up the space between the dots much earlier). This means that the midtone luminance won't be quite as strong as a BO print, but should still be quite nice. This is what I found with the 2400 prints in ABW mode. When I first got it I was afraid the prints would have that dull look that so many of the full ink systems have, but was pleasantly surprised to find they have very nice luminance. Upon examination with a loupe I found that the ABW prints are "dotty", meaning that individual dots can be distinguished in the highlights with some bare paper showing between them. For many people the "holy grail" has been completely dot-free highlights, which most closely resembles the continuous tone of emulsion prints (the goal being to make inkjet prints that are indistinguishable from emulsion prints). What I saw over the years was that the systems that came the closest to being dotless were the ones with the most dull veiled look. With a strong loupe you could see that they achieved that by completely covering the paper with very pale, almost transparent ink in the highlights. It was almost impossible to distinguish any dots. Unfortunately this has the effect of reducing the paper's reflectivity, producing the veiled look. The K3 printers have been criticized for being "dotty", but that's exactly what I like about them. I've found the ABW prints to be an excellent compromise between the two extremes, and I'm getting some really gorgeous glowing prints. You have to look with a magnifier to see any dots, but most people view prints from a normal distance, so to me that issue is irrelevent. I'd much rather have the luminance. I'm seeing the same treatment in this 3800 B3 ramp, so it looks promising. >I'll await more of your findings when you do some >printing with MK (are you using Epson MK or Eboni?) AFAIK nobody is using Eboni in a 3800 because there are no replacement carts available for it yet. So any tests I do will be with Epson MK. >I am still always so surprised and pleased by how much deeper the >Eboni is than the MK in my BO prints. I tried both and there's just >no comparison. You can practically fall into the Eboni blacks they >are so rich and deep. Yes, it's wonderful stuff. >"If it looks good, there is always the possibility of using Eboni in >there for a cooler MK (although it doesn't kick in until 55%)." <-----not sure what you mean here...could you explain further? 55% is where the K ink kicks in. The B3 ramp is all LLK from 0 to 25% where the darker LK dots begin to overlay it and the LLK begins falling away. Then it's mostly LK dots, gradually getting closer together, until 55% where the K dots begin appearing and the LK begins falling away. The point is that even though Eboni is cooler toned, that coolness won't affect anything below 55%. So the effect in a print might be like a subtle split toning, with warm midtones and highlights and slightly cooler dark zones. I'm not sure how this will look, it might not work well. There you have it, I hope this helps clarify it. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm >I'd like to think I could keep the deep richness of Eboni even >with B3...are you saying that would not be the case?
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[Digital BW] Re: 4800/3800 "Black" setting is not BO - thanks, Clayton!
2006-12-25 by Clayton Jones
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