Guys, can we stop the pissing match? Mark On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:52 AM, failedthespian wrote: > With all due respect, just because one rogue company made reference to > the BWS test, isn't grounds for saying it isn't relevant or that it > isn't a more scientific basis than WIR test criteria. That's like > throwing out the baby with the bath water! > > Your missing the point. The OEM's go to WIR precisely because he > hands > out certificates saying that "X" ink will last one hundred and forty > years. In the scientific community WIR is an object of a certain > amount > of derision. > > I am happy to publish the independent test data done on a number of > competitors inks by Leeds University's DCC - including the flawed > Fotonic inks that WIR are so enamored with. > > Paul Banks > Image Alchemy Ltd > www.image-alchemy.com > www.image-alchemy.de > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... > wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 3/3/07 9:17:55 AM, failedthespian@... writes: >> >> >>> My contention is that many organisations use WIR to give them a > level of >>> credibility that they often don't deserve. >>> >> >> Unfortunately very shady companies have used that same claim and >> logic > for >> prefering Blue Wool over Wilhelm in the past, and the result has been > inksets >> that were claimed to be very long-lived via the Blue Wook standard, > which were >> extremely short-lived in reality. At least with the Wilhelm failures > we know >> exactly what went wrong. If you are looking for legitimacy in the > inkjet market, >> you will need to use the same types of testing the big players >> (Epson, > HP) >> use, not those that the fly-by-nights (I'll avoid inserting a list > here <G>) >> use, no matter what your personal opinions of the various test >> methods > may be; >> its not yourself you need to convince. >> >> C. David Tobie >> Product Technology Manager >> ColorVision Business Unit >> Datacolor Inc. >> CDTobie@... >> www.colorvision.com >> >> >> >> ************************************** >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: New graduated black inks -Blue wool ratings
2007-03-03 by Mark Savoia
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