Digital BW, The Print

The're a few things that bother me here. Most companies don't advertise for beta testers on list forums like this and most companies beta their product BEFORE bringing it to market. The ink seems to be targeting the amatuer market based on the printers supported and the hype on the web site. Extreme savings, long life, yada yada yada. The diehard defense of the BWS and total disregard of Wihelm as a valid test is similar to the old Futures and Nanochrome defense. Either these guys don't have the money for Wilhelm testing or they don't want to see the results. Probably six of one and a half dozen of the other. They have my address but I'm not holding my breath waiting for the inks to arrive. I wonder who failed what's his name really is? Is that you John? :-)

Walt

>-----Original Message-----
>From: djon43 [mailto:djon43@...]
>Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2007 01:20 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Re: New graduated black inks -Blue wool ratings
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>Greg, your perspective will be of great interest to everybody once you
>get your hands on the product, but smart companies impliment business
>plans based upon accomplished technologies and after beta responses by
>their markets. Maybe this outfit actually does have something as good
>as we all know is coming shortly. 
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>If their market is primarily amateurs with small printers like my
>2200, and if they're confident in their technology, why do they need
>to query yet more experts with big machines?  
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>For their shareholders' sake we can hope the product's already tested
>by technicians as good as you are. 
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>I suspect they've used superb outside consultants to perfect the
>product and its future iterations, just as most tech companies do, but
>that wouldn't guarantee success. Win some, lose some.
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>The issue they're now addressing evidently has to do with target
>market response (they identified that market precisely for us). 
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>They don't need to ask what other technicians outside their target
>market have to say. After that it's ultimately up to that target
>market to determine if they prosper or fail. Think on Office Depot scale.
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>As well, Epson undoubtedly has surprises up its sleeve for that
>installed base of smaller machines. New 1280 are still available from
>various sources, maybe even Epson., for some reason..we know they
>don't prosper primarily by printer technology, but rather by ink and
>paper sales...right? I think the future's bright and fairly obvious.
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>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg"
><dfaprinting@...> wrote:
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>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
>> <djon43@> wrote:
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>> > I do think it's silly to imagine that the opinions of professional
>> > printers with big machines are nearly as important as the opinions of
>> > the vast majority of skilled users, who are amateurs or active
>> > photographers, rather than lab operators. 
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>> What's silly is that if a company has an inkset that is for 7 or 8
>> channels, that they don't want the opinions of those people with only
>> 6 channel printers like you mentioned earlier. It's a good thing Jon
>> Cone didn't think this way. It would be all to simple to remove one of
>> the shades to work in the 6 inks printers. Or even weed it down to 4
>> shades for those "ancient" 4 color printers, or maybe even an EZ set
>> for the newer 4 color printers.
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>> But the truth is when testing something new you really do want the
>> most highly skilled operators doing the testing, else the feedback can
>> get kind of garbled. Once it goes mass market though, then you need
>> the opinions of the mass market users too. If it's technically too
>> challenging for the mass market, then you stand little hope of it
>> selling very well.
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