Those are not the conclusions that I reach from the users reporting. I don't jump to such wild conclusions without good empirical data; not hap hazard data collection. I don't use MIS INKS at all, never have and can't say whether the inks are of consistent high quality and I haven't used it on other matte paper so I can't conclude that it is perfect or near perfect match for the paper. As I previously suggested, and deviation for a standard set that is tested can't be held against the paper, it however be held against the instruction sheet. We have tested this paper and found to perform on blah blah. While it is in early release and has some bugs to work out in perhaps they are flaws in marketing it not a flawed product. Is Lightroom a flawed product? It is in early release and is showing, at least to me, some severe short coming in certain areas. It is perhaps, that want the product to do something its designers had not intended. I would also look at just how big of the market the "popular" inks really represent before I start dismissing it. It took Colorbyte several years to move off of the Epson ink and paper only profiles, don't you think that making a paper that works for K3 MK users might represent a much bigger market than mixed users of MIS with Epson product? IS the Dmax really poor compared to other matte papers? Or just compared to a Dmax for products designed for a high dmax and different market share? I for one am reserving judgment until I see a response from Harmon. We all know that inks settle, are those that are having problems finally showing weaknesses in their own house keeping? I'd agree that a paper that has a very small sweet spot needs to make the users aware of that prior to release but how do they know until the problems become apparent? Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____ From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djon43 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:01 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Harman Vs past and future ? Poor Dmax, fragile with some popular inks, erratic batches. That appears to summarize recent reports by this site's experts. Wildly expensive, as well. That suggests it can't compete with other silver-emulating favorites or fine, well-known, moderately-priced, honestly-inkjet photo art papers. Fair conclusions? If Harman's former Ilford techs disappoint big-market retail customers (= Adorama shoppers ), baryta coated paper won't be the future ...unless a quick fix saves the brand...reportedly nobody else is in the baryta game. Am I missing something? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Harman Vs past and future ?
2007-03-16 by Eric Neilsen Photo
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