"The term "archival" continues to have the larger meaning that it's long held with silver paper and Wilhelm barely relates. " What meaning is that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "djon43" <djon43@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Wilhelm Ratings for EEM While Wilhelm's ratings may be honestly arrived-at, they are *allow* those numbers to be used for marketing purposes. This means they're being paid, one way or another, for those numbers, which in turn means their "results" should be evaluated harshly. Using Wilhelm, EEM was designated as "archival" by Epson until last year (they stopped earlier in the U.S.). When they dropped "archival" it had nothing to do with ink fade. The longer Wilhelm fails to emphasize the limited meaning of their numbers (their reliance on "notes"), the more dubious their "test results." Participating as actively as they do in paper marketing, and tolerating "confusion," they muddy the waters. Wilhelm barely begins to address "archival," it only addresses ink fade. Wonderful people like us know the truth from experience, while Wilhelm prospers by the "confusion" of the unwashed masses. The term "archival" continues to have the larger meaning that it's long held with silver paper, and Wilhelm barely relates. > asked me why he rated EEM so highly (110 years), it being a non > archival paper. Here's my take on this, I thought it was worth posting. > > > The problem with EEM is that it turns a dingy shade of yellow in a > short amount of time, due to acid or lignen or whatever, so it's not > considered archival. But that has nothing to do with ink fading. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Wilhelm Ratings for EEM
2007-04-09 by Brian Ellis
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