Will any future digital camera ever shoot in 32 bit? Mark On Apr 10, 2007, at 11:21 AM, dealy663 wrote: > A little bit of computer science here. > > An 8 bit BW file can have at most 256 levels of gray tones, a 16 bit > file can have 65536 independent tones. Converting from 8 to 16 bit > simply maps those original 256 tones into the 65536 space. If you had > a linear gradient going from black to white at the start it would > appear exactly the same after the conversion. You would still have 256 > independent tones. However you would also have room between each tone, > 256 blank spots with no gray vales on either side. By this I mean that > for the gray value that was originally 128 in the 8 bit file it would > now be 32768. The difference being that in the 8 bit file there were > picture elements represented by values 127 and 129. While in the 16 > bit file those values would be represented by 32512 and 330224, there > would be no pixels in the image with values between 32768 and these > other two numbers. > > Next lets say that you adjust the global contrast of your image. In a > simplified algorithm, an increase in contrast makes the values below > the midpoint (128 8-bit) darker and the values above the midpoint > lighter. In an 8 bit file if we subtract 1 from each value less than > 128 then we now have 126 tones where we had 127 tones before the > subtraction. This is because the pixels that were formerly at value 1 > are now at zero along with all the pixels that were previously at > zero. The same logic applies above the midpoint, so where we > originally had 256 tones before the contrast adjustment we now have > 254. In a 16 bit file applying the same type of correction still > leaves you with the original 256 independent tones, because there was > 256 bits of headroom between each original pixel value. You would have > to adjust the contrast by more than 255 points before you started > reducing the number of tones in your image. > > The scenario I've described above leads to the posterization that we > see when making large adjustments in 8-bit files. It is not true that > all image editing leads to the loss of data, but large movements > certainly can. There are other issues with 8 vs 16 bit related to > rounding errors also. > > With all that said, I rarely change my 8-bit files to 16-bit before > editing. I would only do so if there was something really wrong with > my exposure and I needed to make large adjustments to the file. > > Hope I didn't confuse the issue too much. > > Derek > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: 8bit to 16 bit
2007-04-10 by Mark Savoia
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