Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Vallejo da
Silva" <mastologia@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Manuel and Tobie for the insights. Seems the way to go. Read the 
> articles and some quastions aroused:
> Paul writes about EZ BW inks,: looks like the complete K3 set from MIS
> would 
> do the same,right? (MIS bulk ink with spongeless carts is a much
> better idea 
> then Epson inks...) If matched to QTR,I can´t see a better way.

The MIS k4 inkset is a very close match to Epson's K3. The issue of
print neutrality when using the ABW mode might be important for some
people, but for the time being I am happy with the prints that I get
out of the box with the K4 inkset, both in color and b&w. In essence,
they look excelent to me, and the cost of operating the printer is
much lower than using epson inks. 

> Then,if using the QTR+MIS K3,there the point: Clinton describes a 
> hit-and-miss approach to adjusting the neutrality of the prints. My 
> experience with this way tells me it not that simple. 

It's relatively easy with the R2400's ABW. If you want maximum
longetivity, then you might want to replace the yellow cartridge and
more adjustments will be needed. Plus you will have to change
cartridges to print in color or b&w. But if you just use the K4's
yellow, I think that you will get relatively neutral prints.

> Would then the 
> PrintFixPro work well with the K3,and could it be the "final"
> solution? (for 
> now,of course,as usual...)
> Then about the black ink. As I read in MIS pages,it seems a little
> confusing 
> to be able to print in semmi-matte papers like Ilford Smooth Pearl.
It's 
> only a matter of changing the black from Ebony to photo and also the
> chip,or 
> there's something else? What about universal black in real world? 

You just have to switch the black cartridge - just as yu would do with
the epson inks - but the swapping will cost you ink (about 1ml in my
printer, of ALL inks) so it's advisable to switch paper type seldomly. 

The universal black is an alternative, but it contains dyes so I would
avoid it.

> BTW,lightfastening times of 80 or 200 years means the same for
> me.Unhappily 
> I won't last that long...it's more about the deepness of the black...

However, nobody really knows if the prints will last that long -
estimates are just that, estimates. I use the best inks and acid-free
papers that I can affort, if possible with little or no OBA's, hoping
that the prints last at least 20 years. If the estimates are true,
then they will last for much longer, which will be nice.
 
> Best,
> André
> _____________________________________________________________
> >
> > 1a. Same printer for BW and color
> >    Posted by: "Andre Vallejo da Silva" mastologia@... andrevallejo
> >    Date: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:55 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > This is a recurrent issue,but as gear is changing all the time...
> >
> > Is there a current printer,with more than two black inks (three would
> > be ideal)A3+ format,that can be fed with MIS pigment bulk ink and that
> > by using the  right driver,will be able to print in color and neutral
> > BW(using the black and gray inks only)? Or am I demanding to much?
(yet)
> >
> > Maybe the R1800 could be used to do that if there was the proper
> > driver and the right profiles made with,for example PrintFixPro?
> >
> > Best,
> > André
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (3)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > 1b. Re: Same printer for BW and color
> >    Posted by: "Manuel Toledo Quinones" mtoledo@... matoqui
> >    Date: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:09 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > André,
> >
> > With the R2400 you get very good color prints, and also can use the
> > Advanced Black and White (ABW)  mode, which produces very nice B&W but
> > uses some color. Alternatively, you could use QTR and use only the
> > black inks but I think that in most papers the print will not be
> > neutral. If you add some color you can get neutral prints with QTR and
> > still avoid the yellow pigment, which is less lightfast than the other
> > colors. ABW uses some yellow. The R2400 also produces nice B&W prints
> > in rgb mode, provided that a good profile is used.
> >
> > The following sites have very good information that is available
> > thanks to the generousity of Clinton Jones and Paul Roark, two of the
> > experts of the group. You might find them usefull if you decide to
> > consider the R2400.
> >
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2400.pdf
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Manuel
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Vallejo da
> > Silva" <mastologia@> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a recurrent issue,but as gear is changing all the time...
> >>
> >> Is there a current printer,with more than two black inks (three would
> >> be ideal)A3+ format,that can be fed with MIS pigment bulk ink and
that
> >> by using the  right driver,will be able to print in color and neutral
> >> BW(using the black and gray inks only)? Or am I demanding to much?
> (yet)
> >>
> >> Maybe the R1800 could be used to do that if there was the proper
> >> driver and the right profiles made with,for example PrintFixPro?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> André
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (3)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > 1c. Re: Same printer for BW and color
> >    Posted by: "CDTobie@..." CDTobie@... cdtobie
> >    Date: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:58 pm ((PDT))
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/14/07 8:55:19 PM, mastologia@... writes:
> >
> >
> >> This is a recurrent issue,but as gear is changing all the time...
> >>
> >> Is there a current printer,with more than two black inks (three would
> >> be ideal)A3+ format,that can be fed with MIS pigment bulk ink and
that
> >> by using the right driver,will be able to print in color and neutral
> >> BW(using the black and gray inks only)? Or am I demanding to much?
> (yet)
> >>
> >> Maybe the R1800 could be used to do that if there was the proper
> >> driver and the right profiles made with,for example PrintFixPro?
> >>
> > No, the single black and no grays in the R1800 won't do this for
> you. But 
> > the
> > exchangable blacks and two grays in the 2400 are capable of this, and 
> > color
> > at the same time; and with PrintFIX PRO 2.0, you can print both
> color and 
> > B&W
> > through the same workflow and profile.
> >
> > C. David Tobie
> > Product Technology Manager
> > ColorVision Business Division
> > DataColor Inc.
> > CDTobie@...
> > www.colorvision.com
>