In a message dated 5/10/07 10:30:46 PM, dnj@... writes: > > 1. How does a color-managed (ie, ICC profile based) workflow for B&W with > grayscale inks > work? Unlike a color workflow, we're trying to get different warm/cold > tonings, so the print > shouldn't match what's on screen anyway. > > 2. Paul Roark's description seems to assume that you combine his curves with > profiling to > generate the ICC profile. Why do you need to do this, and how would you > generate the > curve for a new paper? > > 3. Is there a simpler way to overcome my problems? > - There are two things being called an "ICC profile", so its confusing. Lets look at the two ways to profile the UT3D (or even the UT7 inks you are currently using). First is to use QTR, and to print patches, then linearize using QTR's linearization function. Next you would print a linearized set of patches and build a set of curves with CreateICC (more or less automatically), which hides these curves in the shell of an ICC profile, along with some preview data, so that you can both print and preview via the pseudoprofile. For contrast, the other process (using PFP) would be to print the PrintFIX PRO2 225 patch target via your inkset and the printer's RGB driver, read those patches with PrintFIX PRO, using the standard 225 patch template (not reading them using the PrintFIX PRO2 measurement export tool for QTR, as you would for the linearization and CreateICC patches above) and build an ICC profile from that. This method is a traditional ICC profile with both print and preview functions, for use with the RGB driver. Since both of these processes can be done using PrintFIX PRO2 to measure and record the patch values, its easy to see how they could be confused. Since both forms of ICC profile are just referred to as a profile, its easy to see how they could be confused as well. Here's an analogy for it, if it helps: The PrintFIX PRO ICC profile is like your own personal luggage in your own personal carryon suitcase. It contains your cloths, your medicines, your toiletries, as would be expected of your luggage (or of a typical ICC profile, in our analogy). The CreateICC profile for QTR is a similar carry on luggage case, but lts been left empty inside, and instead is being used to cleverly carry something else, in the front slip pocket. As long as you understand that you won't find typical luggage stuff (3d look up tables describing the state of a printer, for instance <G>) inside the CreateICC profile, it all works out fine... but if you try to pass the CreateICC profile by HomeLand Security (or through any ICC process that expects a standard profile) it may cause problems. Since we are speaking of using PrintFIX PRO specifically for this process, we assume the user has the product, and which process is used to profile the printer depends on what printer model it is, what work is being printed, and what process the user prefers. For those using other measurement devices, or no device at all, the process would inevitably be different. C. David Tobie Product Technology Manager ColorVision Business Unit Datacolor Inc. CDTobie@... www.colorvision.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] using ICC profiles in B&W printing with grayscale inks
2007-05-11 by CDTobie@aol.com
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