Digital BW, The Print

The paper I am using and talking about is Polar Matte by Red River. That is
the paper that was being talked about. Sure it is legitimate to ask
questions about yellowing or even to speculate about it. But it seemed to me
that your implication was that Red River's Polar Matte  was just too good to
me true and it must be highly suspect like EEM. EEM was a paper that was
well known to have yellowed in more than one version and over more than a
year or two. I have seen and heard about yellowing with that paper for over
4 years, not so for RR Polar matte.  I am not angry, but rather disturbed.
It gets a little tiresome reading the rants about this and that without some
balance of thought. While your post did have some of that, it also had an
implication that Polar matte was going to yellow with out any evidence that
it had in the past or would into the future. Have papers from Red River
shown a problem like EEM? None that I've seen or heard about. 

 

As to why papers yellow? I can only guess as I do not study this in depth.
But what is this thing we call paper made out of and what is making it
appear white? Air, light and immediate contact with another material
certainly come to mind. What do those bring to the table?, particles that
can and do alter the state of the paper and its coating. I have no direct
links for you on these effects.  

 

And in countless posting, John, this is the first time I've seen your name.
Thanks. If I have time this week, which I doubt, I'll go over to Red River
and see this new paper. I might even ask a question or two : ) 

 

Eric 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djon43
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:47 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Red River Polar Matte (was Moab Kayenta > Lasal
...)

 



Eric, Yellowing may or may not be the same phenomenon as loss of
whiteness. Some think they're both a concern, you may not: Eye of
beholder. 

The current Polar White is said to be a new formulation...that's why I
questioned your length of experience with it. 

I meant no disrespect. don't doubt you've had many years of experience
with an earlier formulation.

The only information I have on whitening is in the perhaps-valid 
marketing information of paper distributors. Moab, for example, has
stated in its marketing that whiteners were moderated in Entrada
Bright in order to minimize changes, implying directly that whiteners
were problems for people who wanted maximum stability.

Eric, If you can link scientific information on whitening, please do. 

I'd like to know why one 100% rag paper would have problems with
whitening and another would not. 


John 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
<djon43@...> wrote:
>
> Eric, the answer to your angry question is obvious: Paper distributors
> have said for several years that whiteners on cotton paper will
> eventually fade or even yellow. You know that as well as anyone. 
> 
> Some paper manufacturers use restraint with whiteners in order to
> minimize that problem. That's specifically what Moab is said to have
> done with Moab Entrada Bright, while intentionally marketing Moab
> Entrada Natural for people who were maximum-worried about changes.
> 
> Polar white is remarkably white. It appears to be a "Super Enhanced
> Matte." Given that it's reasonable to wonder (as I did) if the
> longevity of its white is questionable...that's a reasonable thing to
> wonder about with ANY whitened paper. 
> 
> You have not used Polar for long long because it hasn't been around
> for long.
> 
> ***While I hope nothing yellows as rapidly as EEM does (did), it's 
> prudent to openly wonder about the future of a similarly priced,
> almost identical looking, heavily-brightened paper. 
> 
> ***AND it's especially worthwhile to wonder about it on this specific
> Forum, of all Forums. :-)
> 
>.

.

 
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3702311/grpspId=1705019182/msgId
=86178/stime=1182170914/nc1=4543832/nc2=3848616/nc3=3848432> 
 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]